GE航空航天 (GE.US) 2025年第四季度业绩电话会
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GE Aerospace reported significant financial achievements in Q4 2025, with 74% order growth, 20% revenue increase, and 19% EPS growth to $1.57. Projecting strong 2026 performance, the company forecasts low double-digit revenue growth, $9.85 billion to $10.25 billion operating profit, and $7.10 to $7.40 EPS. Strategic initiatives include technology investments, supply chain enhancements, and MRO network expansions, aimed at improving time on wing and reducing cost of ownership. Organizational changes, integrating technology and operations teams, are expected to enhance engine lifecycle management and customer alignment, solidifying GE Aerospace's leadership in commercial and defense sectors.
会议速览
GE Aerospace's 2025 Earnings Call Highlights Innovation, Safety, and Financial CommitmentsGE Aerospace's earnings call for Q4 and full year 2025 emphasizes the company's dedication to safety, innovation, and financial stability. The team delivered strong results, invested in future technologies, and maintained a customer-focused culture, supporting over a million flights and powering defense systems. The call to action for GE Aerospace is to continue inventing the future of flight while ensuring safety and operational excellence.
GE Aerospace's Robust Growth: Strong Q4, Record Backlog, and 2026 OutlookGE Aerospace delivered strong Q4 results with 74% order growth and 20% revenue increase, supported by a $1 billion backlog growth. The company forecasts low double-digit revenue growth, mid-teens commercial services growth, and $8-8.4 billion in free cash flow for 2026, underpinned by investments in U.S. manufacturing and flight deck enhancements.
Strategic Enhancements and Customer-Focused Innovations Drive GE Aerospace's ProgressThe dialogue outlines significant advancements in GE Aerospace's operations, including enhanced supplier partnerships, expansion of CES to integrate TNO, and capacity upgrades across the global MRO network. It highlights achievements in service and equipment output, emphasizing a customer-driven approach to improve time on wing and reduce costs of ownership. The discussion also covers progress in future propulsion technologies and successful engine commitments at the Dubai Air Show, positioning the company for leadership in commercial and defense sectors.
Strong Q4 Performance and Strategic Segmentation Updates at GE AerospaceThe dialogue highlights GE Aerospace's robust Q4 results, with significant increases in orders, revenue, and profits across CES and Dpt segments. It also outlines strategic changes in segment reporting to enhance supply chain alignment, reflecting organizational adjustments for future growth.
Financial Projections: Revenue Growth, Profit Estimates, and Cash Flow Outlook for the Aerospace IndustryThe dialogue outlines expected mid-teens revenue growth, with services up mid-teens, and projects profits in the range of $9.6 to $9.9 billion. It highlights internal shopper growth, equipment sales, and profit improvements, alongside corporate cost adjustments. The summary also mentions EPS and free cash flow growth, driven by higher operating profits and working capital management, with a focus on achieving solid conversion above 100%.
Strong Growth Prospects and Customer-Centric Focus Define Aerospace LeadershipThe aerospace leader highlights sustained competitive advantages, driven by extensive industry experience and significant R&D investments. With a focus on product performance, safety, quality, delivery, and cost, the company anticipates delivering exceptional value to customers and shareholders in the upcoming year, maintaining its position as the preferred partner across commercial and defense sectors.
Strong Commercial Aftermarket Momentum Drives Services Growth ExpectationsA discussion highlighted robust commercial services revenue growth, driven by a strong demand environment, expanding work scopes, and increased price leverage. The company anticipates mid-teens growth in services, supported by a growing backlog and enhanced spare parts delivery. Future performance hinges on improving internal processes and third-party partnerships, with expectations of continued momentum despite potential challenges in spare parts supply.
Leap Engine's Path to Profitability and Production Goals Amid Supply Chain InvestmentsDiscussion highlights Leap engine's projected profitability by 2026, emphasizing the need for strategic supply chain investments to meet production targets. The dialogue underscores the interdependence of new engine demand and aftermarket support, affirming confidence in achieving airline and airframe requirements through process improvements and capital investments.
Turnaround Time Improvement and Financial Impact in Aerospace MaintenanceDiscusses factors improving turnaround times for engine maintenance, including material availability and efficient shop floor execution, and their financial benefits such as increased shop visits and productivity gains.
Analysis of GE Nx Program's Financial Impact and Q1 Revenue & Profit ProjectionsDiscussion covers GE's Nx program losses, doubling year-over-year, and its effect on Q1 revenue and profit. Anticipated strong Q1 start with high teens revenue growth, driven by CES and Dpt segments. Profit growth expected due to services growth, offsetting higher ngx shipments and absence of last year's CMR charge. Free cash flow projected to decline due to payments in Q1.
Analyzing CS Profit Margins Amid Equipment Growth and Services RevenueThe dialogue explores the factors influencing CS profit margins, focusing on services revenue growth, O shipments increase, and the declining spare engine ratio. Despite challenges like equipment growth outpacing services and a flat CFM, the company anticipates strong margin performance due to robust services growth and strategic adjustments. The discussion highlights the company's confidence in its margin trajectory despite a higher starting point than previously expected.
Outlook for CES Margin Growth Amidst Headwinds and Profitable OpportunitiesThe dialogue discusses the projected margin trajectory for CES beyond 2026, highlighting opportunities for profit growth through aftermarket improvements, defense sector progress, and Leap engine services. Despite headwinds from mix shifts and Idex, the company anticipates surpassing $1.5 billion in operating profit by 2028, leveraging a higher margin profile and productivity gains in Leap services. The strong performance in commercial services and defense, alongside retirements trends and shop visits, contribute to a positive outlook on achieving these financial targets.
Investment in R&D: Driving Innovation and Customer Experience in AerospaceThe dialogue emphasizes significant annual investment in R&D, focusing on enhancing customer experience, improving product durability, and pioneering future technologies like the Rise program. It highlights the commitment to innovation across both commercial and defense sectors, ensuring the company remains a leader in aerospace through continuous technological advancement.
CFA 56 Retirements and Aftermarket Agreement Impact on Fleet ManagementDiscussion on CFA 56 retirements being lower than expected due to high demand, leading to stronger performance through 2028. Also, insights on a new agreement enhancing aftermarket options, supporting asset values and reducing ownership costs.
Inventory Growth and Working Capital Management: A Focus on Supply Chain Improvements and Financial ProjectionsThe discussion centers around managing inventory growth due to supply chain enhancements and investments for increased output, noting a half billion dollar net headwind in working capital last year. Expectations are for slightly reduced impacts this year, aligned with double-digit revenue growth, emphasizing the normalcy of cash flow and opportunities for further inventory optimization.
Post-Pandemic Demand for Aftermarket Services Remains Robust with No Discontinuities AnticipatedDespite queries on changes in customer behavior and pricing in the aftermarket for aircraft engines, no significant discontinuities are observed. The demand for services remains high, with customers seeking faster service without compromising on safety or quality, as the industry continues its post-pandemic recovery.
Closing Remarks Highlighting GE Aerospace's Market Position and Value DeliveryThe call concludes with emphasis on GE Aerospace's strong market position, commitment to enhanced performance, and confidence in delivering value to customers, shareholders, and the public. Gratitude is expressed for the participants' time and interest in the company's future prospects.
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Q：What are the key achievements of GE Aerospace in 2025?
A：GE Aerospace achieved a strong year in 2025, with operational progress, fulfilling financial commitments, and continuing to invest in the future. They experienced an outstanding fourth quarter with 74% growth in orders, 20% revenue increase across both segments, and a 19% increase in EPS to $1.57. The company also saw a 15% growth in free cash flow for the full year.
Q：How did GE Aerospace's fourth quarter perform financially?
A：The fourth quarter was a strong finish for GE Aerospace, with orders up 74%, revenue increasing 20%, and a 19% increase in EPS to $1.57. Free cash flow grew 15% for the full year, and there was a substantial improvement across all key metrics including a $1.8 billion increase in operating profit and $1.5 billion growth in free cash flow.
Q：What is the significance of Flight Deck technology at GE Aerospace?
A：The Flight Deck technology at GE Aerospace is significant as it drives incremental gains that compound into meaningful improvements, accelerating output to deliver on the company's backlog. It also enables GE to invest in improving time on wing and reducing the cost of ownership for customers, which supports growth today, tomorrow, and into the future.
Q：What is the projected financial outlook for GE Aerospace in 2026?
A：For 2026, GE Aerospace expects revenue to be up low double digits, with commercial services up mid-teens. They anticipate an operating profit between $8.5 billion and $10.25 billion, translating to an EPS of $7.10 to $7.40, and generating free cash flow of $8 to $8.4 billion, with a conversion rate well above 100%.
Q：What are the components of GE Aerospace's revenue growth strategy?
A：GE Aerospace's revenue growth strategy includes focusing on delivering mid-teens revenue growth, with an outlook to achieve $10 billion in profit in the next two years. They aim to generate more than $20 billion in cash from 2024 to 2026 for reinvestment in the business, particularly in U.S. manufacturing to support both commercial and defense customers.
Q：What changes are being made to improve customer facing teams at GE Aerospace?
A：To enhance customer facing teams, GE Aerospace is elevating these teams by having them report directly to the CEO, aligning with the customer-driven approach. This change is intended to enable greater cross-functional problem-solving, agility, and alignment to deliver for customers.
Q：How is GE Aerospace planning to support growth and manage its supply chain?
A：GE Aerospace is expanding its capacity across its global MRO network to support aftermarket demand, adding partners like MTU in Dallas. Investments in R&D, including expanding several MRO sites and a new on-wing support facility in Dubai, are expected to roughly double internal capacity. These investments and the Flight Deck technology are designed to support growth in deliveries across the MRO network and enhance the output and turn times for customers.
Q：How is GE expanding its Leap Repair catalog and what is the impact on cost of ownership?
A：GE is expanding its Leap Repair catalog, which is expected to lower the cost of ownership and improve turnaround times. The number of lead parts certified for repair has increased by 20% and is expected to continue growing in 2026.
Q：What is the impact of the third-party MRO ecosystem on GE's mature engines?
A：The third-party MRO ecosystem provides customers with optionality for servicing their fleets, supporting higher asset values and lowering costs of ownership. Cfm Script is the most widely owned and operated engine in commercial aviation, with retirements in 25 consistent with 24 levels.
Q：What are the outcomes of GE's progress on the next generation of engines, specifically the hybrid electric narrow body architecture?
A：The outcomes of GE's progress on the next generation of engines include the completion of a ground test campaign demonstrating the first hybrid electric narrow body architecture. This signifies a milestone in systems integration, advancing the technology from concept to practical, scalable application, and providing greater customer value and advanced breakthrough technologies.
Q：What are the significant engine orders and commitments that GE has received?
A：GE has received significant engine orders and commitments including riyad's commitment for 128 1 A engines, fly Dubai's selection of 60 GE Nx engines, Pegasus Airlines' commitment to up to 300 Leap 1 B engines, Delta's selection of GE as a trusted partner for its new fleet of 30 Boeing 787 S, and an order from Taha Fighter jets for 113 F 404 engines.
Q：How did GE's fourth quarter performance compare to the previous year?
A：GE's fourth quarter performance showed a significant increase in orders up 74% with CES up 76% and Dpt up 61%. Revenue was up 13.5%, operating profit was $2.3 billion, up 14%, and EPS was $1.57, up 19% from the previous year. Free cash flow was $1.8 billion, up 15%, largely driven by higher earnings.
Q：How is GE's earnings per share (EPS) growth for the year explained?
A：GE's earnings per share (EPS) growth for the year is explained by an increase in operating profit, a lower tax rate, and a reduced share count. Free cash flow grew 24%, and profit in CES and Dpt was partially offset by higher corporate costs and eliminations.
Q：What was the significant revenue and profit growth in GE's segments?
A：Significant revenue and profit growth in GE's segments includes a 24% revenue increase and a $2.3 billion profit in CES, an 18% increase in services revenue and a 30% increase in engine deliveries in Dpt, and a 5% profit increase in Aero with robust orders and defense engine shipments.
Q：What is the resegmentation impact on GE's financial reporting and what will be included in the first quarter recasted segment financials?
A：The resegmentation impact on GE's financial reporting involves aeroderivative engines previously reported in CES being included in Dpt to drive greater supply chain alignment. Corporate cost and elimination numbers will be adjusted accordingly, and the resegmentation impact will be reflected in the 2025 segment financials. First quarter recasted segment financials are planned to be provided.
Q：What improvements have been made in the supply chain visibility and capital investments?
A：The company has improved visibility further out and deeper into the supply chain, and is confident in satisfying the needs of both the airlines and the airframers. There will be capital investments in various commodity categories, and the company plans to keep pace with tailwinds.
Q：When is the projected profitability for Leap OE?
A：The company expects Leap OE to be profitable in 2026 as per their prior plans.
Q：How is the turnaround time improvement expected to affect financials?
A：The turnaround time improvement should lead to more shop visits being completed, which will contribute to the top line revenue. It also provides a considerable productivity unlock, as having all necessary parts for a shop visit reduces idle time and increases productive time.
Q：What factors contributed to the 10% improvement in turnaround times for engines?
A：The 10% improvement in turnaround times is attributed to material availability and efficient execution of standard work on the shop floor. This has been helped by better supply chain performance and improved relationships with suppliers.
Q：What were the impacts of GE's net headwinds in 2025 and how will this affect quarterly earnings?
A：In 2025, GE faced losses of a couple of hundred million dollars, which were in line with expectations. The losses on the ngx programs are projected to double year over year, and the current guidance for Xi incorporates these losses. This is consistent with previous statements on the first quarter.
Q：What are the expectations for the company's revenue growth in the first quarter?
A：The company expects a solid start to the year with high teens revenue growth for the total company, including both CES and Dpt segments. This growth will be driven by engine and spare parts output increases.
Q：What is the anticipated revenue growth for the first quarter and what factors will contribute to it?
A：The anticipated revenue growth for the first quarter will be driven by strong services business, spare parts already in the backlog, a lack of the CMR charge from the first quarter of the prior year, and increasededx shipments. Additionally, sequential performance in Dpt is expected to continue and drive revenue growth.
Q：How will margins at the midpoint be impacted in 2026?
A：At the midpoint, margins are expected to be flat in 2026. Factors contributing to this include strong services growth, a significant increase in spare engine shipments, gradually decreasing spare engine ratios, and an increase in ngx shipments.
Q：What are the expectations for profit margins in the current year and how do they compare to the October guidance?
A：The profit margins for the current year are expected to be higher than what was anticipated back in October. They are expected to be flattish compared to the prior guidance, despite an improvement of about 500 basis points. The company feels good about the trajectory of the margins.
Q：How should headwinds in the Commercial Engine Services (CES) mix and OE/aftermarket expectations be factored into the margin trajectory beyond 2026?
A：The headwinds mentioned include mix issues in CES and potential OE and aftermarket profitability headwinds. Beyond 2026, the trajectory of margins should be considered with an understanding of these challenges. However, the company is focused on growing the installed base, increasing utilization and work scopes, and ramping with suppliers. The commercial services business is expected to drive profit growth, and there is an emphasis on continued progress in defense business as well.
Q：What factors are contributing to the improved margin outlook and CFA 56 retirement trends?
A：Several factors contribute to the improved margin outlook and CFA 56 retirement trends. These include low retirements, shop visits in the 2300 range which is slightly better than expected, improving service profitability, growing repairs certified, incremental shop visits driving productivity in Leap services, and strong performance in the white body program. Additionally, the retirement of the CFA 56 is trending lower than expected, which positively affects the outlook.
Q：What are the investments being made with the annual R&D spend of $3 billion, and how is it allocated?
A：The annual R&D spend of $3 billion is allocated primarily to improving the customer experience with the engines, focusing on the Leap engine. Improvements include durability kits to enhance time on wing and reduce total cost of ownership. The company is also investing in the 9x engine for the 777X, future technology developments, the Rise program, and next-generation defense programs. This investment is supported by the company's large flight hour experience base of 2.3 billion hours.
Q：Why are CMA 56 retirements trending lower than expected, and what is the updated forecast for 2025 and 2026?
A：CMA 56 retirements are trending lower than expected due to strong demand and the need for airlines to satisfy this demand by keeping their CMA 56-powered planes in operation. The updated forecast indicates that retirements in 2025 will be about 1.5% of the fleet, which is relatively in line with 2024. For 2026, the forecast is for retirements to be in the 2% range, which is better than the 2 to 3% range forecasted in July. This trend is expected to continue with a gradual decline starting in 2030.
Q：How should one consider the transition in free cash flow from 2026 to 2028 in light of the recent agreement?
A：The transition in free cash flow from 2026 to 2028 should not include any abnormally high numbers in 2026 as they are expected to fade. The agreement ensures that any exceptional performance in 2026 will not be an expectation in subsequent years. The company emphasizes that inventory growth challenges experienced in the prior year are being addressed, and supply chain improvements are helping to manage inventory levels more effectively.
Q：What is the strategic significance of the open third-party aftermarket approach and how does it support asset values and cost of ownership?
A：The strategic significance of the open third-party aftermarket approach is to provide customers with optionality in how they service their fleet. This approach is considered a strength and supports both asset values and lowers the cost of ownership. The company believes it lays the foundation for the success it has achieved historically.
Q：What impact has the recent agreement had on inventory growth and working capital expectations for the current year?
A：The recent agreement has impacted inventory growth positively. Although there was inventory growth last year, the company is improving supply chain efficiency, which allows for increased output in 2023. This year, total working capital is expected to have a net headwind of slightly less than the prior year's half a billion dollars, which is in line with expectations for low double-digit revenue growth. This suggests that inventory growth is slowing down and will continue to be managed effectively in the current year.
Q：What has been the recent trend in customer behavior in the aftermarket with respect to overhauls and pricing pushback?
A：Recent customer behavior in the aftermarket has been robust, with a strong demand for airline services and products. This robustness reflects in the high demand for flight deck supplies and modernization efforts. While there is an expectation for work scopes to expand as the CFM 56 engines get older, there is also a strong desire from customers for additional services without compromising on safety or quality. There has not been any significant indication of pricing pushback or discontinuity in behavior compared to the last couple of years.
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