Gemini Space Station, Inc. (GEMI.US) 2025年第三季度业绩电话会
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Gemini, a digital asset exchange, emphasizes disciplined growth and capital efficiency, targeting a 20%-25% increase in monthly transaction users through enhanced engagement and strategic investments. Key initiatives include expanding the credit card program, launching a small business card, and developing a super app for integrated financial services. The company achieved significant milestones in Q3 2025, including strong trading volumes, record credit card performance, and global expansion, reinforcing its commitment to scalable revenue and operational leverage.
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Gemini's Inaugural Earnings Call Highlights Journey and Team AppreciationAnnounces third quarter 2025 financial results, expresses gratitude for team's efforts, outlines future growth strategy, and emphasizes commitment to crypto industry.
Gemini's Growth and Global Expansion: A Model of Trust, Engagement, and LiquidityGemini highlights its significant growth, including record trading volumes and credit card performance, as well as global expansion efforts. The company underscores its commitment to a regulatory-forward approach, which has built a durable model based on trust, engagement, and liquidity, driving its business forward and positioning it for continued success in the convergence of traditional finance and crypto.
Gemini's Global Expansion and Credit Card Success Drive Q3 MomentumGemini highlights its global regulatory advancements, including licenses in Europe and Australia, and the success of its credit card program, which saw significant growth in accounts and transaction volume, driving customer engagement and revenue.
Expanding Liquidity, Engagement, and Trust: A Compounding Flywheel for Sustainable Growth in the On-Chain EconomyThe dialogue highlights a significant increase in trading momentum and participation across customer segments in Q3, leading to a healthier, more liquid marketplace. With spot volumes up 45% quarter over quarter, the core exchange's strength is underscored by improved liquidity across order types. The expansion of the OTC business and a more balanced revenue mix, with services revenue reaching nearly 40% of total revenue, demonstrate a strategic alignment that reinforces engagement, liquidity, and trust, driving sustainable growth. New products and capabilities further enhance access to the on-chain economy, making it easier and safer for customers to engage with on-chain opportunities.
Gemini's Strategic Expansion: Enhancing Chain Capabilities, Security, and Capital EfficiencyGemini introduced a wallet for seamless asset management, launched Solana staking, expanded multi-network support, and rolled out tokenized stocks in Europe. The company improved capital efficiency, paid down debt, and secured a credit facility, positioning for sustainable growth while focusing on disciplined capital management and employee incentives aligned with long-term success.
Strong Q3 Financial Performance: Gemini's 52% Revenue Growth Highlights Platform ExpansionThe CFO discusses a 52% quarter-over-quarter revenue increase to $49.8 million, driven by higher trading activity, user engagement, and diversification across credit card, staking, and custody services. Trading volumes rose 45% to $16.4 billion, with retail volumes up 20% and institutional volumes up 49%, reflecting both new and existing customer growth. Despite a lower average retail fee rate due to a higher mix of lower-fee orders, the volume growth more than compensated, showcasing the platform's health and scalability.
Q3 Revenue Highlights: Growth in Credit Card Sign-ups and Staking ServicesServices revenue reached 19.9 million, boosted by 8.5 million from credit cards, with 64,000 new sign-ups in Q3, up from 17,000 in Q2. Staking and custody revenue also increased, driven by Solana staking and asset appreciation. Advisory fees added 2.1 million, with expectations of continued growth through card adoption and global staking expansion.
Q3 Financials Highlight: Increased Operating Expenses, Strategic Investments, and Debt ManagementQ3 expenses rose due to IPO-related compensation and marketing investments, with transaction costs and debt management strategies highlighted, including new borrowing facilities and crypto loans, alongside a scalable card receivables financing approach.
Gemini's Strategic Investment in Growth and Diversification of Revenue StreamsGemini highlights a robust balance sheet and strategic focus on disciplined growth, aiming for a 20%-25% comp rate in user growth. The company expects services revenue and interest income to reach $200 million by fiscal 2025, driven by the credit card program and non-trading activities. Investments in technology, marketing, and compliance infrastructure are outlined, with a targeted acceleration to drive user growth and brand equity. Gemini emphasizes strategic expense growth, scalable revenue streams, and long-term margin expansion, positioning itself for sustainable growth in the on-chain finance sector.
Gemini's Vision for a Global Financial Super App and Future Product RoadmapGemini is advancing towards a global financial Super App, integrating self-custodial wallets, tokenized assets, and expanding credit card offerings. They are also pioneering prediction markets, aiming to revolutionize financial services by combining various market opportunities into one user-friendly platform.
Exploring the Growth and Potential of Gemini's Credit Card and Small Business Card InitiativesThe dialogue highlights the significant growth in Gemini's credit card user base, with 55% of new US transacting users coming through the card onboarding process. It discusses the launch of the Solana edition card, which has encouraged increased staking activity on the platform. Additionally, there's a focus on expanding the credit card program to underserved small businesses, aiming to leverage the product as an acquisition vector for broader market penetration.
Strategies for Reducing Card Losses and Fraud in Growing Credit ProgramsDiscussed factors contributing to low card losses, emphasizing credit discipline and underwriting for affordability, along with leveraging advanced technology to mitigate fraud risks, ensuring sustainable business growth.
Guardrails for Strong Unit Economics Amid Market Share GrowthDiscusses confidence in acquiring users efficiently, emphasizing low-cost acquisition tools, marketing spend flexibility, and maintaining strong unit economics within payback periods.
Strategies for Building a Super App and Drivers of User GrowthThe dialogue explores the company's strategy to build a super app, emphasizing an in-house approach over partnerships. It also discusses key growth drivers, including customer acquisition and increased platform engagement, aiming for 20% to 25% monthly transacting users. The Nasdaq partnership's potential revenue impact is briefly mentioned.
Update on Partnership Progress, Institutional Volume Growth, and Retail StrategyThe dialogue provides an update on ongoing partnership discussions with no new material to report, highlighting the integration of Nasdaq's clients and the development of new products. It discusses the significant growth in institutional volume attributed to enhanced infrastructure, strategic B rates, and active engagement with the trading community. The speakers also address the deliberate reduction of spreads to capture more market share and hint at similar strategies for retail, emphasizing competitive feed offerings and training for new trading firms on the Gemini platform.
Analysis of Retail Take Rate Stability Amid Mix ShiftDiscussion centered on the retail take rate's stability, attributing fluctuations to trading mix shifts rather than fee reductions, highlighting strategic volume management.
Navigating Competition in Crypto Credit Card MarketDiscussion on maintaining innovation and market leadership in the face of increasing competition in the crypto credit card segment, emphasizing low barriers to entry and diverse reward offerings.
Analysis of Increased Trading Volume on PlatformExploration into the surge in trading volume reveals it to be linked with price appreciation rather than shifts in customer profiles or staking market dynamics, attributing fluctuations to asset value changes.
Credit Card's Role in Driving Exchange GrowthDiscusses the credit card's significant role in acquiring new users, with 56% of new users starting with the card. The trend is expected to continue, highlighting the card's strong market fit and potential to drive further exchange usage.
Pricing Adjustments and IPO Roadshow UpdatesThe dialogue covers adjustments in pricing strategies including staking pay rates increase, current status of credit card take rates, and anticipation for future growth and IPO milestones.
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Q：What is Gemini's mission and how does it plan to achieve it?
A：Gemini's mission is to build the trusted bridge to the future of money, connecting the world to the crypto frontier and helping grow that frontier into the crypto mainstream. To achieve this, Gemini has adopted a regulation-forward approach, focusing on trust, engagement, and liquidity, and aims to make cryptos simple, secure, and accessible for everyone.
Q：What are the key achievements of Gemini highlighted in the third quarter earnings call?
A：Key achievements of Gemini highlighted in the third quarter earnings call include reaching record trading volumes of 16.4 billion, surpassing 100,000 open accounts and 350 million in quarterly transaction volume for the Gemini credit card, and achieving the strongest quarter of user acquisition in over 300 years.
Q：How does Gemini's approach to regulation contribute to its business model?
A：Gemini's approach to regulation contributes to its business model by building a durable, powerful flywheel that operates on trust, engagement, and liquidity. This regulatory trust enables Gemini to partner with institutions and regulators, ensuring a compliant and transparent environment that attracts a wide range of participants and creates a robust marketplace.
Q：What are the components of Gemini's business model?
A：The components of Gemini's business model include a regulated crypto-native exchange platform that combines the needs of institutions with the simplicity required by retail customers. This is supplemented by the Gemini credit card, which brings new users into the Gemini ecosystem in a simple and rewarding way, and the Gemini Wallet, a self-custody smart wallet. Gemini also broadens its global footprint through launching in new markets and securing relevant licenses, thereby attracting institutional liquidity and creating a healthier, more efficient marketplace.
Q：What strategies is Gemini implementing to further its global expansion and adoption of crypto?
A：To further its global expansion and crypto adoption, Gemini is focusing on several strategies: expanding its regulated global footprint, integrating everyday spending with crypto, deepening trading activity and diversifying revenue, enabling secure on-chain access, and enhancing capital efficiency and balance sheet strength.
Q：What are the key milestones in Gemini's expansion across major global markets?
A：Key milestones include receiving a Mica license from the MTA Financial Services Authority, enabling services across all 31 European countries and jurisdictions, launching in Australia after obtaining a trading registration, and completing key payments integrations. Gemini also continued engaging with the Monetary Authority of Singapore to convert an in-principle approval to a full NPI license.
Q：What impact has the Gemini credit card had on customer engagement and growth?
A：The Gemini credit card has become a powerful engine for customer acquisition and daily engagement, adding more than $100,000 in total card accounts with over $64,000 new sign-ups in Q3, and driving more than $350 million in card transaction volume. This resulted in Gemini's strongest quarterly card revenue performance of $135 million, with over 75% of open card accounts being active at the end of the quarter.
Q：How has Gemini's trading activity changed and what does it indicate about the marketplace?
A：Trading momentum accelerated with spot volumes reaching $16.4 billion, up 45% quarter over quarter, including a 49% increase from institutional customers and a 20% increase from retail. The broadened participation across customer segments and improved liquidity indicate a healthier marketplace.
Q：What new products and capabilities have been introduced by Gemini to expand its on-chain ecosystem engagement?
A：Gemini introduced the Gemini Wallet designed for both users and developers to manage assets seamlessly across blockchain applications, launched Solana staking from custody for institutions and an in-house Solana Validator, and expanded multi-network support across various chains. They also rolled out tokenized stocks to EU customers under their Mifid license and are working on an upcoming prediction markets offering.
Q：How has Gemini's balance sheet been affected by its strategies and what future plans are mentioned?
A：Gemini has paid down debt and improved capital efficiency through new funding structures, such as a $150 million credit facility for financing credit card receivables. These actions have strengthened liquidity and positioned Gemini for sustainable growth. Future plans include maintaining balance sheet strength, retaining flexibility for strategic initiatives, and thoughtfully utilizing share-based compensation.
Q：What financial results were reported for the third quarter and what factors contributed to them?
A：For the third quarter, net revenue was $49.8 million, up 52% quarter over quarter, driven by stronger trading activity, increased user engagement across the Gemini credit card product and exchange, and gains in staking and custody. The results highlight the expanding utility of the Gemini ecosystem and growing diversification of revenue streams.
Q：What was the total revenue from services for the quarter mentioned and what factors contributed to the increase in credit card revenue?
A：The total revenue from services for the quarter was $19.9 million, including $8.5 million from credit cards. The increase in credit card revenue from the prior quarter was driven by continued user growth and a higher spend per active cardholder.
Q：How much did banking revenue increase and what factors contributed to this increase?
A：Banking revenue increased by $3.2 million to $5.9 million, reflecting the first full quarter of Solana staking in the U.S., an increase in staked assets, and underlying price appreciation.
Q：What factors contributed to the rise in total operating expenses for the quarter?
A：The rise in total operating expenses for the quarter was primarily driven by IPO-related stock-based compensation, increased marketing spend, and other non-recurring items, rather than a structural change in the company's cost structure.
Q：What were the changes in compensation and headcount expenses and what was the reason for the increase?
A：Compensation and headcount expenses were $82.5 million, an increase of $45.7 million from Q2, with roughly $44 million of the increase attributed to stock-based compensation tied to IPO equity awards, including a $15.1 million bonus accrual.
Q：How did sales and marketing expenses change and what was the reason for the increase?
A：Sales and marketing expenses increased to $32.9 million from $16.8 million in the previous quarter, reflecting deliberate investments, with two-thirds of the increase attributed to higher marketing and brand spend, and the remainder from higher rewards and promotions consistent with elevated card activity.
Q：What were the effects of increased activity levels on transaction related costs?
A：The effects of increased activity levels on transaction related costs were reflected in higher transaction processing expenses and transaction losses. Transaction processing expenses were $33 million, up from the prior quarter, on stronger staking balances, while transaction losses totaled $4 million, up about $4 million sequentially.
Q：How did the company manage its liquidity and what steps were taken to finance the Gemini credit card receivables?
A：The company managed its liquidity by executing a warehouse financing facility to fund its Gemini credit card receivables. At quarter-end, there was $49 million of debt outstanding and $68 million of pledge receivables sufficient to support borrowings of $69 million.
Q：What is the company's strategy for future growth and what expectations are set for fiscal year 2025?
A：The company's strategy for future growth includes driving disciplined growth, improving capital efficiency, and maintaining flexibility to invest in key initiatives. For fiscal year 2025, it expects total services revenue and interest income to reach $140 to $155 million, supported by continued momentum in the credit card program and increased engagement in non-trading activities.
Q：What are the expected expenses for fiscal year 2025 and what factors are influencing these expectations?
A：For fiscal year 2025, technology and GNA expenses are expected to total between $140 and $155 million, influenced by ongoing investment in scalability, reliability, and compliance infrastructure. Marketing expenses are expected to step up with a full-year total of $100 to $110 million, reflecting a decision to lean into growth following the IPO and build on momentum. These strategic investments are designed to drive durable user growth and strengthen brand equity.
Q：What are the new products and features of the Gemini Super app?
A：The Gemini Super app includes a self-custodial smart wallet launched this summer, the ability to hold tokenized dollars via stablecoins, tokenized equity, and digital commodities like Bitcoin within one app, and support for various stablecoins and digital commodities. The app also offers tokenized equity and a new feature allowing users to auto stake their rewards, which has led to an increase in users engaging with Gemini's products and services.
Q：What is Gemini's strategy for the credit card and how is it performing?
A：Gemin's strategy for the credit card involves using it as an acquisition vector to onboard new customers, with 55% of new transacting users coming through the credit card onboarding process. The card has led to a seamless experience where cardholders become exchange users as well. Gemini aims to use the card to engage customers in other products and services, such as auto-staking rewards, which has led to an increase in users engaging with Gemini's products. The card business experienced strong growth, with over 100,000 cards issued, but the company sees this as just the beginning given the potential market size.
Q：What is Gemini's vision for prediction markets and their current progress?
A：Gemin's vision for prediction markets is to create a global market where you can essentially build a market on anything, any kind of event, viewing it as analogous to the early days of Bitcoin. The company has an application with the CFTC to build a DCM (Designated Contract Market) and plans to continue pursuing it once the government opens back up, aiming to bring these products to market soon.
Q：What are the drivers of strong growth in the card business, and how is the Solana edition of the Gemini card performing?
A：The drivers of strong growth in the card business include the seamless experience of onboarding new customers through the credit card, with 55% of new transacting users coming from this channel. The Solana edition of the Gemini card has performed well, with an increase in users auto-staking their Solana rewards and engaging with other Gemini products and services.
Q：What is Gemini's approach to managing card losses and preventing fraud?
A：Gemin's approach to managing card losses and preventing fraud includes underwriting credit responsibly to ensure customers can afford it, a strategy that has led to low losses in the current quarter. The company also employs technology to tightly mitigate losses, whether they are credit or fraud-related. They emphasize the importance of being able to offer third-party financing and focus on serving customers who are able to afford the credit.
Q：How does Gemini ensure strong unit economics while regaining and growing market share?
A：Gemin ensures strong unit economics while regaining and growing market share by having guardrails in place. While the specifics of these guardrails were not detailed, the company's focus on customer affordability and leveraging technology to mitigate losses and fraud are likely contributing factors to maintaining strong unit economics.
Q：What was the reason for the company's confidence in their user acquisition strategy?
A：The company felt confident in their user acquisition strategy due to the massive growth and low user acquisition costs seen earlier in the summer, continuing至今. They also mentioned deploying capital well below their tax targets and within their payback period.
Q：What is the company's stance on the market and their marketing spend?
A：The company views the market positively and plans to continue investing in marketing spend at around 11%, focusing on capturing users cost-effectively and being able to adjust spending quickly. They are confident in acquiring users within their cost and payback range as long as the market conditions support it.
Q：How does the company plan to build out the super app and what is their approach to partnerships?
A：The company plans to build the super app in-house, as it aligns with their on-chain focus and expertise. They will not outsource the development but will explore partnerships for other aspects of their offerings.
Q：What are the key building blocks for the continued growth of monthly transacting users?
A：The key building blocks for continued monthly transacting user growth include focusing on customer acquisition through direct and linked platforms, leveraging the close linkage to the credit card product, increasing customer engagement, and ensuring customer activity goes beyond initial exchange interactions. The company aims to make staking easier and to build platform capabilities while focusing on increasing engagement and adding new products.
Q：Can anything be shared about the ongoing partnership with Nasdaq and its potential impact?
A：The speaker, Marshall Beard, mentioned that discussions with Nasdaq are ongoing and that they've been engaging with clients introduced by Nasdaq. They are working on two different businesses with several clients and new products, which he describes as very positive and a forward-moving journey, albeit still in its early stages.
Q：What factors contributed to the recent growth in institutional volume on the Gemini platform?
A：The recent growth in institutional volume on the Gemini platform is attributed to an uptick in new trading firms coming onto Gemini, strategic management of business rates for institutions, and the sales and business development team's success in engaging with the community and facilitating firm re-onboarding and training on Gemini.
Q：How did retail take rate change and what was the reason behind it?
A：The retail take rate did not change materially from the prior quarter and is still higher than in the two preceding quarters. The change is mainly due to a mix shift between active trader and instant trading, rather than any deliberate fee reduction to gain volume.
Q：How does the company view competition in the card space and its strategy to stay innovative?
A：The company views the competition entering the card space as validation of their own efforts. They see themselves as leaders in the market and have plans to expand their offering both with more co-branded cards and by entering into small business and other verticals. They emphasize the large market size for credit cards in the U.S., especially given the novelty of earning crypto rewards and the various possible rewards due to the cryptos supported on Gemini. The competition is seen as a positive development, and the company plans to innovate by continuing to explore new ways to engage with their clients.
Q：What are the unique features of the car mentioned in the transcript?
A：The car has no annual fee and is presented as a ramp and acquisition tool to sign up people to earn crypto. It does not require a subscription fee or a membership, aiming to create a simple and intuitive product for anyone to try.
Q：What factors contributed to the increase in trading volume on the platform compared to bitcoin?
A：The increase in trading volume on the platform relative to bitcoin was attributed to price depreciation or appreciation of certain assets, causing them to overtake Bitcoin or other top trading assets. However, this was not due to changes in customer segments but rather price movements.
Q：How is the adoption of the credit card related to the exchange's growth?
A：The credit card has been adopted rapidly and has found incredible product-market fit since the start of marketing efforts. It's not just competing with other crypto rewards but also with the broader credit card and points industry. Despite similar acquisition trends in Q4, the focus will remain on the credit card as it drives growth, with new cardholders also using exchange products.
Q：Has the company taken any pricing actions in response to market conditions?
A：The company has increased its staking rewards rates from 15% to 25%, which is still lower than competitors. However, there have been no material changes to the credit card take rates.
