Circle Internet Group (CRCL.US) 2025年第三季度业绩电话会
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Circle's Q3 saw USDC circulation grow 108% YoY to $73.7B, with on-chain transactions soaring 580% to $9.6T. Total revenue hit $740M, up 66% YoY, and Adjusted EBITDA grew 78% to $166M. Key initiatives included Arc's public testnet launch with over 100 participants, exploring a native Arc token, and Circle Payments Network (CPN) expansion, achieving over 100x growth in payment volumes. USDC market share reached 29%, with transaction volumes growing 130% YoY. Circle aims to lead in digital asset ecosystems, maintaining a market-neutral stance, expanding stablecoin networks, and innovating in products and technology.
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The CFO discusses the reposting of earnings materials on the investor relations website, emphasizing the importance of understanding forward-looking statements and their associated risks. He also highlights the availability of non-GAAP financial measures and reconciliations, aligning with regulatory guidelines.
The dialogue discusses the vision of transforming the global financial system through open internet and software infrastructure, focusing on three platform layers: blockchain networks as economic operating systems, digital assets for value storage and exchange, and new application utilities for internet economy activities. Circle aims to lead in this emerging full stack internet financial platform space.
USDC circulation grew 108% YoY, with on-chain transactions using USDC increasing 580% YoY. Total revenue reached $740 million, with adjusted EBITDA margin expanding by 737 basis points. Launched Arc into public testnet with over 100 major participants, marking continued platform expansion.
Circle explores native token launch on Arc network, expanding its stablecoin presence across 28 supported chains. The company's market-neutral stance, anchored in regulatory compliance, liquidity infrastructure, and broad distribution, has fueled significant growth, with USDC share reaching 40% and on-chain transaction volume hitting 9.6 trillion in Q3.
Circle's Cross-Chain Transfer Protocol (CCTP) dominates digital asset bridging, achieving 47% market share in Q3. The company gains trading market share and expands USDC in perpetual markets. Circle's tokenized money market fund, uyc, triples in size to $1 billion, highlighting growth in tokenized collateral. Adoption spans capital markets, payments, and banking, with partnerships across leading companies and regions.
Circle continues to expand its platform, focusing on core infrastructure with Arc, now in public testnet with over 100 industry leaders, aiming for a 2026 mainnet launch. The company is also broadening its Cpn network, adding new markets and capabilities, and witnessing significant growth in monthly payment volumes. Circle's vision includes a globally distributed network with strong stakeholder incentives, actively exploring the introduction of a native token on the Arc network.
Circle reports robust Q3 results, highlighting USDC circulation growth, increased other revenue, and strategic investments. The company forecasts continued growth in 2025, focusing on expanding platform capabilities and global partnerships.
Investors discussed Cpn's progress, emphasizing quality over quantity in member growth, focusing on operational capabilities and liquidity. The dialogue highlighted a strategy of network expansion before monetization, aiming for scalable, low-fee services. Integration of Arc into Cpn was noted as a step towards supporting mainstream payment flows, with potential for future value generation through network fees and enhanced services.
Chris Waller, speaking at a payment innovation conference, highlighted the Federal Reserve's new era in payments, acknowledging DeFi/crypto's shift from outsider to integral part of financial innovation. He suggested the Fed may increasingly consider crypto, reflecting a changing stance on digital assets within the financial system.
The dialogue underscores Circle's pivotal role in shaping the emerging on-chain and DeFi financial system, emphasizing the company's leadership in stablecoin infrastructure. It highlights the significance of regulatory clarity and technological advancements in driving demand for USDC, noting increased market activity and adoption by major financial institutions. The discussion reflects on Circle's strategic positioning as a trusted platform for the evolving internet financial system, backed by its commitment to compliance and liquidity.
Discussion revolves around the potential benefits of a native token for Arc network, emphasizing its role in aligning incentives and governance. Highlights include the intersection of Arc and Cpn, focusing on Arc's capability to provide low-cost, efficient, and regulatory-ready infrastructure for Cpn's operations, facilitating seamless currency exchange and supporting global currency issuers.
The dialogue explores the momentum in the Circle payment network, emphasizing catalysts for growth, such as quality flows and business motivators for network expansion. It also touches on partnership economics and the capacity to scale without additional costs, highlighting the benefits of stablecoin infrastructure for capital efficiency and user experience.
Discusses managing increased costs through scalable infrastructure and AI, emphasizing efficiency. Highlights learning from customer interactions to guide product development and touches on M&A trends affecting strategic decisions.
Focuses on enhancing stablecoin liquidity networks globally, integrating with major financial centers, and developing user-friendly technologies like Arc for seamless, secure, and cost-effective transactions, catering to both digital asset natives and traditional enterprises.
The company views M&A as a tool to accelerate its core offerings in blockchain, digital assets, and application spaces, having closed three deals this year. It focuses on internal growth through organic development, IP generation, and recent patent achievements, while continuing to explore M&A opportunities to enhance its innovation curve within these specialized areas.
The dialogue discusses the strategic focus on building partnerships with growth-oriented firms for on-platform expansion, emphasizing the utility of stablecoins and the exploration of a governance token for Arc, highlighting its potential economic incentives and stakeholder participation across the ecosystem.
The dialogue delves into the growth of subscription and transaction revenues within blockchain networks, highlighting the impact of new chain integrations and underlying recurring revenues. It also addresses a decline in transaction revenues due to a spike in redemption fees from tokenized money market fund products. The conversation further explores the dynamics affecting margins, emphasizing network effects and the company's cautious guidance approach, aiming for transparency and conservative forecasting while focusing on achieving or surpassing targets.
Discusses challenges in a commoditized market, emphasizing the need for a compelling response to skeptics about USDC's competitive edge, alongside addressing short-term financial guidance concerns.
Discusses the critical role of network effects, liquidity, and regulatory integration in the success of stablecoins, emphasizing the importance of these factors in driving market share and growth in the evolving digital currency landscape.
The dialogue discusses various immediate use cases for USDC, highlighting growth in cross-border payments, international money movement, enterprise treasury management, digital dollar storage, and traditional financial markets. It emphasizes the role of the Genius Act in unlocking institutional adoption and regulatory conformity, driving demand for USDC globally.
Discussion focuses on USDC's role in cross-border payments and capital markets, highlighting third-party data on growth. It also addresses the potential impacts of interest-bearing stablecoins, emphasizing the Genius Act's provisions and the industry's push for distribution platform innovation.
The dialogue discusses how Circle leverages its powerful USDC network to form strategic partnerships, focusing on mutual growth and measurable impact rather than direct economic incentives, emphasizing the brand's trust, compliance, and liquidity as key factors in its success.
要点回答
Q:What is the vision being built towards at Circle?
A:Circle's vision is to build an internet financial system that guides the transformation of the global financial system through the collision of open internet infrastructure with traditional financial systems.
Q:What is the first layer of the internet financial platform that Circle is building?
A:The first layer of the internet financial platform being built by Circle consists of blockchain networks, which are serving as foundational operating systems for economic activity on the internet.
Q:What is the significance of USDC's circulation growth and on-chain transaction volume?
A:The significance of USDC's circulation growth and on-chain transaction volume is that they have shown strong year-over-year increases, with circulation growing 108% year over year to 73.7 billion and on-chain transaction volume growing 580% year over year to $9.6 trillion, underscoring the increasing velocity and efficiency of using USDC as a medium of exchange.
Q:What financial results were highlighted for the third quarter?
A:For the third quarter, the company had total revenue and reserve income of $740 million, a 66% year-over-year increase. Adjusted revenue grew 8% year over year to $166 million with a 57% adjusted EBITDA margin, a 737 basis point expansion.
Q:What is the significance of the Arc public testnet launch?
A:The launch of the Arc public testnet is significant as it marks a critical milestone in bringing stablecoin finance and real-world economic activity onto blockchain. The testnet launched with participation from over 100 major companies from various sectors of the financial industry, signaling strong early momentum for the Arc network.
Q:What is the role of the Arc network in Circle's strategy?
A:The role of the Arc network in Circle's strategy is to act as an economic operating system (OS) for the internet, enabling the migration of coordination, governance, value storage, financial contracts, and other economic intermediation into a software-powered and AI-driven economic system. It serves as a platform for building a full stack internet financial platform company.
Q:What is Circle exploring in terms of a native token on the Arc network?
A:Circle is exploring the possibility of launching a native token on the Arc network, which could be an important component for driving utility incentives, growth, and governance of the Arc network.
Q:What are some of the key developments in the Circle Payments Network?
A:Key developments in the Circle Payments Network include product expansion with multiple releases and significant growth in transaction volumes, as well as the launch of Cpn console for streamlined onboarding, integration, and operation of payment flows, and the introduction of Cpn payouts for automated stablecoin payouts.
Q:What does Circle see as the core infrastructure of the stablecoin network?
A:The core infrastructure of Circle's stablecoin network includes being regulated, audited, public, transparent, compliant, having a core liquidity infrastructure with systemically important banks, banking connectivity around the world, providing minting and redemption, and a broad distribution across blockchain networks and ecosystems.
Q:What is the recent growth in monthly total payment volume on the platform?
A:The monthly total payment volume on the platform has seen over a 100 times growth from the first full month to November 7, with an annualized transaction volume of $3.4 billion based on trailing 30 days.
Q:What were the key financial results mentioned for the third quarter?
A:In the third quarter, USDC in circulation grew to 73.7 billion, more than doubling year on year. Total revenue and reserve income increased 66% year on year to 740 million. The total distribution and transaction costs increased 74% year on year to 448 million. The LDC margin was 39.5%, and other revenues increased to 29 million from less than 1 million in the prior year.
Q:What are the expectations for USDC circulation and other revenue for the full year 2025?
A:The USDC circulation outlook for the full year 2025 remains long-term and through cycle, with an increase in other revenue full year guidance to 90 to 100 million. It is expected that the LDC margin will end the year around 38% at the high end of the range.
Q:How is Circle planning to monetize the platform, and what is the strategy for adding participants to the network?
A:Circle is focusing on growing the network without immediate attention to monetizing it. The strategy involves adding quality participants rather than quantity, ensuring the new members have strong local liquidity, and meet the slas of the network. The focus is on participants with meaningful flows and reach into various businesses. Monetization opportunities include small fees for new, efficient internet-scale architectures, and the potential for currency flows to generate value for users and businesses on the platform.
Q:What is the fundamental change suggested by Governor Waller regarding the financial system?
A:Governor Waller is suggesting a fundamental change in the financial system architecture, shifting from digital cash instruments like stablecoins to financial contracts and primitives expressed in code, facilitated by blockchain technology.
Q:What is Circle's role in the emerging internet financial system?
A:Circle intends to be the leading internet platform company for the new internet financial system era, contributing to the development and infrastructure necessary for this transition.
Q:What are the tailwinds contributing to Circle's growth?
A:Circle's growth is attributed to regulatory clarity, advancements in technology, and the entry of major financial institutions, payments firms, neobanks, and large enterprises into using stablecoins in their products and services.
Q:What is the purpose of potentially introducing a native token for the Arc network?
A:The introduction of a native token for the Arc network is designed to provide utility for users, align incentives for network growth, and offer a governance method for the evolution of the network.
Q:How is Circle's Arc network infrastructure related to the current financial system?
A:Arc network infrastructure is designed to interoperate with the current financial system by providing best-in-class, low-cost, and regulatory-ready services for digital assets and stablecoins, which can be integrated into applications on the Cpn platform.
Q:What is the relationship between Circle's payment network and the Cpn platform?
A:Circle's payment network is being integrated with the Cpn platform, leveraging stablecoins like USDC and EURC, and the tokenized money market fund product uyc, to build a robust digital asset operating system.
Q:What catalysts are driving the growth in Circle's payment network pipeline?
A:The growth in Circle's payment network pipeline is driven by the adoption of stablecoin infrastructure by established firms seeking to improve capital efficiency, reduce collateral requirements, and enhance the speed and user experience of their money movements.
Q:How does Circle plan to manage the costs associated with expanding its payment network?
A:Circle plans to manage the costs associated with expanding its payment network by embedding AI technologies in its scalable infrastructure. This approach allows for growth without linearly increasing costs, maintaining strong operating leverage.
Q:What is the role of liquidity networks in stablecoin payments?
A:The role of liquidity networks in stablecoin payments is to ensure strong direct liquidity between stablecoins and the stablecoin network and local markets, with the aim of enabling efficient and cost-effective capital movement.
Q:How is Circle's technology designed to support traditional financial institutions?
A:Circle's technology is designed to support traditional financial institutions by offering simple, safe, and well-surrogated processes for them to build applications, deploy them, and utilize these networks.
Q:What is Circle's M&A strategy?
A:Circle's M&A strategy is to use acquisitions as an accelerant to its core offerings in the blockchain, digital asset, and application spaces, without seeking to diversify outside of these areas.
Q:What has been the impact of partnerships on Circle's platform growth?
A:Partnerships with firms that have strong distribution and are growth-oriented have been instrumental in Circle's platform growth, as these partnerships have met the criteria for economic relationships and growth potential.
Q:What are the potential uses or utilities for the Arc network beyond transaction fees?
A:The potential uses or utilities for the Arc network beyond transaction fees include broader economic incentives, stakeholder participation, and governance across the full ecosystem. There is an exploration for a token for the Arc network to align with these objectives.
Q:What caused the decline in transaction revenue despite underlying growth?
A:The decline in transaction revenue was attributed to a spike in redemption fees in the prior quarter related to a repositioned uyc tokenized money market fund product, which masked the underlying growth trends in other products and services. Despite this, the uyc itself has returned to growth and is now the second largest tokenized money fund product in the world.
Q:What is causing the step-down in RLD DC margins and how does it relate to market dynamics and rewards?
A:The step-down in RLD DC margins is attributed to dynamics in the market related to rewards and distribution costs. Initially, it was expected that performance on Circle's platform and other high-margin revenue would improve over time, but market-related dynamics have led to the contrary. Specifically, the speaker hints at a need to consider the impact of rewards and distribution costs in understanding the decline in margins.
Q:What factors contribute to the network effects and success of USDC in the stablecoin market?
A:Several factors contribute to the network effects and success of USDC. These include its interoperability around the world, which gives it significant reach and utility for developers and B2B firms looking to provide utility to their users. USDC's extensive liquidity network, which integrates with major banking systems, brokerages, exchanges, and other financial platforms globally, is another key factor. Additionally, regulatory and infrastructure advantages, such as being well-integrated and supervised by central banking regimes, also play an important role in USDC's success.
Q:Why is it important to look at trading liquidity, the number of wallets holding USDC, and the distribution of USDC?
A:It is important to look at trading liquidity, the number of wallets holding USDC, and the distribution of USDC because these metrics help in understanding the actual market activity and user adoption of USDC. Despite an increase in players entering the stablecoin market, these indicators provide insight into the real growth and the market share of USDC. The implication is that a 'winner takes most' market structure is emerging, and continued focus on these metrics will be important for investors and participants in the market.
Q:What is Circle's strategy to capitalize on the growth of the internet financial system and the use of USDC?
A:Circle's strategy to capitalize on the growth of the internet financial system and the use of USDC involves leaning into major platform developments that are critical to winning in this space. They are focusing on commercial tailwinds resulting from technology progress and regulatory clarity. Circle aims to step into these opportunities to continue being an outsized winner in the upgrade of the financial system to the internet.
Q:Why does Circle not provide full-year or quarterly financial guidance?
A:Circle does not provide full-year or quarterly financial guidance other than on a few key metrics because they are in the early stages of a megatrend with an exponential growth curve. The company believes that focusing on short-term fluctuations would miss the broader growth trajectory, as these early stages are characterized by rapid development and can exhibit significant variability.
Q:What are the most imminent use cases for USDC beyond crypto trading and what visibility does Circle have in non-scary P2P activity?
A:Circle is not agnostic to the use cases of USDC and sees it as a versatile form of money across various use cases. However, they acknowledge its broad application and don't focus on specific use cases. The most imminent use cases for USDC beyond crypto trading include international and cross-border payments, which have been a major driver of growth for Circle. They are seeing mainstream flows and partnerships that indicate this area is driving activity and growth. Circle also sees demand for USDC as a store of value from both firms and households, and they are closely watching developments like the Digital Dollar Act that could influence how the dollar is exported and utilized internationally.
Q:What are traditional financial markets embracing, and what are some examples of institutions involved?
A:Traditional financial markets are embracing stablecoins as collateral for relative margin and for settlement. Examples of institutions involved include clearinghouses, derivatives exchanges, and companies like Intercontinental Exchange and Deutsche Boerse Group.
Q:How are traditional financial institutions engaging with digital tokens and what primary role does USDC play in these products?
A:Traditional financial institutions are launching smart contracts and digital tokens, often backed by USDC as their primary cash leg and settlement leg. Firms like Circle play a role in driving the use of USDC in these tokenized investment products.
Q:What impact has the Genius Act had on institutional adoption of blockchain technology and USDC?
A:The Genius Act has significantly influenced major institutions to start embracing and using blockchain technology and USDC, which in turn has impacted regulators globally to conform and ensure well-regulated products like USDC can operate within their local markets.
Q:Can you quantify the growth of USDC in cross-border use cases and compare it with IPOs?
A:There is growth happening in cross-border use cases with USDC. According to Artemis, a third-party firm, there has been strong growth in business-to-business international payments. This growth is indicative of the partnerships formed in the cross-border payment space and reflects the use of USDC in international settlements beyond what occurs within commercial paper (CPN) flows.
Q:How would interest-bearing stablecoins affect your business and market structure, specifically regarding the Genius Act?
A:The discussion around market structure legislation suggests that there might be provisions allowing stablecoin distributors to use rewards as incentives on their platforms. Circle's position is that the language in the Genius Act is suitable, as it maintains the consideration of stablecoins as cash and cash equivalent instruments while supporting business model innovation for stablecoin distributors.
Q:What are the economics like with new partners for USDC, and how do network effects play a role?
A:New partners are not just receiving full fare; the economics are influenced by the powerful global utility of USDC and its network effects. Partners must show a commitment to distribute and integrate with USDC, going beyond mere support to actively promoting and driving growth for both parties to negotiate better economics.

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