Pinterest (PINS.US) 2025年第三季度业绩电话会
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Pinterest reported significant user growth, particularly among Gen Z, with 600 million monthly active users. Revenue increased by 17% year-over-year to $1.049 billion, driven by AI innovations like Pinterest Assistant and Performance Plus. The company achieved a 29% non-GAAP adjusted EBITDA margin, maintaining strong financial health. Pinterest aims for 14-16% revenue growth in Q4 2025, focusing on AI-driven commerce and expanding its ad spend share, especially in international markets and smaller/mid-market segments.
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The moderator introduces Pinterest's Q3 2025 earnings call, outlining procedures and emphasizing forward-looking statements' risks. The CEO and CFO will discuss performance, operations, and outlook, with both GAAP and non-GAAP measures provided. A reconciliation of financial measures and risk factors are available on the company's Investor Relations website.
Pinterest reports strong Q3 financials with 17% revenue growth, reaching 600 million MAUs. AI enhancements boost visual search and shopping, increasing user engagement and advertiser appeal. Future growth targets include expanding market share and monetization in international markets.
Pinterest leverages AI to offer personalized recommendations and shopping experiences, enhancing user engagement. Introduces multimodal search and Pinterest Assistant, transforming text-based search into voice-activated, conversational discovery, and expanding personalized commerce.
Pinterest leverages AI to enhance user experience through personalized boards and shoppable content, driving engagement and offering advertisers new ad formats like top of search ads, which have shown increased click-through rates and attracted new users.
Announced partnerships and new ad formats with Instacart and Performance Plus campaigns, focusing on automated, simplified campaign optimization, leading to higher conversion lifts and increased advertiser spend. Enhanced features and transparency in reporting have driven significant adoption, especially among mid-market and smaller advertisers, showcasing a 24% higher conversion lift and 12% higher monthly growth rate post-adoption. Continuous innovation and feedback responsiveness aim to deepen advertiser engagement and performance.
Discusses Pinterest's strategy for enhancing international monetization, focusing on scaling successful practices across Europe and other regions, integrating with advertising ecosystems, and leveraging Pinterest Performance Plus to improve advertiser outcomes, as exemplified by Pandora's significant return on ad spend improvements.
The company has seen significant growth in international shopping ad revenue, increasing from 9% to 30% of revenue in just two years. This progress indicates that the lower Funnel Playbook is resonating globally, particularly in Europe and the rest of the world. The team is proud of their achievements in growing user engagement and deepening interactions, even as users have more alternatives. More opportunities exist to activate and grow share of wallet with sophisticated international advertisers, with a focus on narrowing the international monetization gap.
The company reported robust third quarter financial results with 17% revenue growth, highlighting user base expansion across regions and strong performance in retail, telecom, entertainment, and other sectors, achieving record high Maus and demonstrating resilience in Cpg normalization.
Reported strong ad impression growth, managed costs effectively, and expanded international presence, leading to robust Adjusted EBITDA and free cash flow, with a focus on mitigating dilution through strategic capital allocation.
The dialogue outlines expectations for Q4 revenue growth of 14%-16% year-over-year, with an estimated range of $313M to $338M. Adjusted EBITDA is forecasted to be between $533M and $558M, reflecting continued margin expansion. Key investments will focus on headcount growth in R&D for AI and product initiatives, as well as sales team expansion. The guidance confirms sustained progress toward long-term EBITDA margin targets and robust free cash flow generation.
Acknowledges contributions and opens call for questions, guiding participants on how to ask and remove questions, emphasizing one question per participant and proper use of touch-tone keypad.
Discusses Pinterest's transformation into an AI-driven shopping assistant, enhancing user experience through proactive recommendations and visual-first shopping. Highlights the platform's growth in user engagement, innovative shopping features, and strategic focus on guiding users through the buying journey, leveraging AI to offer personalized and seamless shopping experiences.
Emphasizes the successful integration of AI, maintaining high user engagement and growth, while introducing cost-effective strategies through open source models for visual AI, achieving significant cost reductions without compromising performance, aligning AI advancements with monetization goals.
The dialogue discusses Q3 performance, noting a pullback in US retailer spending from Asia-based e-commerce players, though a partial recovery was observed. Guidance for Q4 reflects market uncertainty and new tariffs. Despite challenges, confidence remains in mid-to-high teens revenue growth targets, driven by momentum in emerging verticals, smaller/mid-market advertisers, and international opportunities. Investments in these areas are expected to translate into share gains over time.
Discusses the digital ad landscape, highlighting robust revenue growth, challenges from large retailers, and potential AI-driven optimizations for future expansion.
The platform embraces AI-generated content as a growth driver but prioritizes quality and user preference. It leverages recommender systems and user feedback to manage content visibility, acknowledging the challenge in precisely identifying AI-generated content. Users are given the choice to adjust AI content exposure, reflecting a strategic balance between innovation and user satisfaction.
Discusses integration of Magni, testing new third-party demand sources, and exploring Pinterest audience's value beyond the platform, emphasizing high commercial intent and visual discovery uniqueness.
Performance Plus has shown significant improvements in conversion rates and revenue growth for smaller and mid-size advertisers, with a 24% higher conversion lift compared to traditional campaigns and a 12% higher monthly revenue growth rate for adopters. Approximately 15% of current revenue is attributed to Performance Plus, indicating its growing impact on business performance.
The dialogue highlights the success of Performance Plus and Roas bidding in expanding market share and deepening engagement with retailers' catalogs. These strategies, particularly Roas bidding, have effectively doubled the number of SKUs delivering paid impressions, enhancing ad relevance and driving significant growth in retail lower funnel revenue. The segment shows promise for further expansion, with larger platforms having more exposure and Performance Plus seen as a significant unlock for future opportunities.
Focuses on Performance Plus strategy for deeper catalog penetration with major retailers through granular bidding, promising early results in mid-market and SMB segments, and AI-driven alignment for improved bidding systems and full funnel attribution, aiming for growth and market expansion.
The dialogue discusses key investment priorities, emphasizing AI and high-ROI opportunities, with a focus on expanding EBITDA margins towards long-term targets. It also addresses the integration of catalogs into AI platforms, highlighting the complementary nature of different shopping experiences and Pinterest's unique visual-first approach in commerce.
Discusses Pins' current AWS partnership and future plans to explore multiple cloud vendors for infrastructure, focusing on AI advancements and cost-effective performance.
Discussion on deepening user engagement metrics like search, curation, clicks, and actions as indicators of growth, alongside analyzing international market expansion drivers and potential for sustained elevated growth.
The dialogue discusses how Pinterest's strategy focuses on increasing user engagement and improving the performance ad platform. The company emphasizes visual searches and AI-driven systems to enhance user behavior, which is seen as a leading indicator for advertiser investment. Pinterest is working on expanding its capabilities, particularly in performance advertising, and aims to capture more value by integrating deeper into the full catalog of retailers and improving AI bidding systems. The strong user behavior, marked by more searches and clicks, is driving progress in monetization.
Ucan's international expansion strategy, focusing on commercial intent and shopping ads, has significantly increased ARPU in Europe and the rest of the world. From 9% of international revenue in 2023 to 30% in Q3 2025, shopping ads have grown over two times faster than regional revenue, indicating substantial future growth potential.
The call concludes with gratitude for attendees' questions and participation, emphasizing the value of ongoing dialogue and wishing everyone a pleasant remainder of the day.
要点回答
Q:What are the key achievements and strategies of Pinterest as mentioned in the call?
A:Pinterest has transformed from a platform of window shopping to an AI-powered visual first shopping assistant, aiming to provide a joyful and seamless user experience while enabling users to take action. The company has built a strong relationship with users and advertisers, with nearly half of users coming directly to the mobile app and 600 million monthly active users, marking 9 straight quarters of record highs, with particular strength in Gen Z. The company has also reached 103 million users in the US and Canada, and 1% of reported users are logged in, providing valuable intent signals. The growth of queries on the platform, especially visual search, and performance ads platforms are contributing to a stronger financial performance.
Q:How is Pinterest's user base growing and what is the significance of Gen Z users?
A:Pinterest's user base is growing with 600 million monthly active users, marking 9 consecutive quarters of record highs, and a significant increase in its largest and fastest-growing cohort, Gen Z, which comprises over 50% of the user base. This demographic represents the next generation of users and shoppers and is particularly significant for its size and growth rate, as well as for its commercial potential as makers, content creators, and an attractive audience for advertisers.
Q:What is the impact of visual search on user engagement and revenue?
A:Visual search has become a significant part of user engagement on Pinterest, with a 44% year-over-year growth in queries related to visual search features in Q3. This trend helped elevate the relevance of shopping recommendations and drove more engagement towards visual search, an area where the company sees a distinct competitive advantage. The growth is aligned with the user experience of visual inspiration and discovery expected from Pinterest, which is fueling the company's financial performance.
Q:How has the performance of the advertising platform on Pinterest evolved?
A:The performance of the advertising platform on Pinterest has seen substantial growth, with an increase of 40% year over year in outbound clicks to advertisers in Q3 and a fivefold increase over the last three years. The platform has achieved 5% to 10% share of total ad spend for major advertisers and is expanding its share of wallet with large advertisers while also experiencing growth with smaller mid-market advertisers through AI-driven automation. The performance budgets and international markets present clear opportunities for monetization and growth.
Q:What is the role of AI in enhancing the user experience and aiding users in their shopping journeys?
A:AI is central to the Pinterest experience, continuously working in the background to understand user preferences and curate personalized recommendations. It proactively predicts what users will love next, providing a seamless and individualized shopping experience. This has made Pinterest an AI-powered shopping assistant for its 600 million monthly active users. The AI uses first-party signals from user curations and purchases to recommend relevant content and creates a feedback loop that further enhances personalization.
Q:What new features are being introduced to improve visual discovery and user engagement?
A:To enhance visual discovery and user engagement, Pinterest introduced multimodal search, which allows users to refine searches using both image and text inputs. The new feature includes a proprietary multimodal model trained on Pinterest's vast and unique dataset, which is more effective at identifying relevant content. Additionally, the company is testing the launch of the new Pinterest Assistant, a voice-activated conversational AI that moves beyond simple text inputs to help users with complex queries and discover shoppable products, capturing more nuanced commercial intent.
Q:How is AI being integrated into boards to assist users in their commercial journeys?
A:AI is being integrated into boards to make them more inspirational and assist users in moving seamlessly from discovery to decision. The upcoming feature, 'Boards Made for You,' will bring curated collections of timely and personalized content to users' home feeds, aiming to drive frequent visitation and introduce relevant shopping recommendations. Also, as part of the holiday market effort, new expert curated gift guides are being launched to feature gift ideas for various categories, further assisting users in their shopping decisions.
Q:What are the new ad formats launched by the company to enhance user journey and connect users to shoppable products?
A:The company recently launched 'Top of Search ads,' which are currently in beta and appear within the top 10 search results and in related pins to ensure visibility and attract new users. Another format is 'Where to buy links,' which surface multiple in-stock retailer options directly from an ad, complemented by 'Local inventory ads,' which display real-time prices for in-stock items within a shopper's local radius.
Q:How has the partnership with Instacart impacted the shopping experience on the platform?
A:The partnership with Instacart has enabled Pinterest ads to become directly shoppable via Instacart, allowing users to complete a purchase in just a few clicks, enhancing the seamless shopping experience across various categories.
Q:What is the impact of 'Performance Plus' on advertisers, and how has it been received by different segments of advertisers?
A:'Performance Plus' has been a significant performance driver for advertisers, with a 24% higher conversion lift for retail advertisers compared to those spending only on traditional campaigns. It has been particularly well-received by mid-market and smaller advertisers, who have seen a 12% higher monthly growth rate in spend on Pinterest post-adoption. The tool offers a range of features to boost campaign performance with AI-driven ad products and is expected to continue driving growth for advertisers.
Q:What new features were introduced to the 'Performance Plus' suite, and how do they benefit advertisers?
A:The 'Performance Plus' suite introduced 'Performance Plus ROAS bidding,' which provides granular bidding functionality and optimizes for conversion value. This feature benefits advertisers with large catalogs at varying price points by offering more precise control over ad spending. Enhanced reporting was also launched to provide detailed audience breakdowns to supplement performance metrics.
Q:What is the international monetization strategy, and how is it performing?
A:The company's international monetization strategy involves scaling proven playbooks across Europe and the rest of the world, integrating deeply with the local advertising ecosystem, and using a hybrid model that blends direct sales forces with resellers and ad tech partners. This strategy is beginning to pay off as it unlocks growth opportunities and international monetization rates are improving, evidenced by the growing share of international revenue from shopping ads.
Q:How is the company expanding its presence in international markets?
A:The company is expanding its presence in international markets by focusing on direct relationships with advertisers and agencies, integrating with marketing tech partners, and implementing a hybrid sales model that varies by market. This approach helps to export successful strategies from the U.S. while adapting them to local contexts, as illustrated by Pandora's success in leveraging the company's lower funnel playbook.
Q:What was the recent progress and future outlook for international revenue?
A:Recent progress for international revenue includes a significant growth in the share of revenue from shopping ads, reaching 30% in Q3, and revenue growth in Europe and the rest of the world growing over two times faster than their respective regional overall revenue growth. The company sees more opportunities to activate and grow its share of wallet with international advertisers, particularly in Europe and the rest of the world, where it remains underpenetrated.
Q:How did the company's user growth and engagement look like in the third quarter?
A:The company's user growth in the third quarter was positive, with global monthly active users (MAUs) increasing 12% to 600 million. All geographic regions showed user growth, with the U.S. and Canada growing 4%, Europe growing 8%, and the rest of the world growing 16%. The company's engagement metrics also improved, with queries, board creations, and quicks to advertisers increasing faster than users, indicating deeper engagement per user.
Q:What were the financial results for Q3 in terms of cost of revenue and adjusted EBITDA?
A:In Q3, the cost of revenue was $206 million, up 13% year over year and up 5% versus Q2. Non GAAP operating expense was $543 million, with a 15% increase attributed to investments in sales and marketing and R&D. Adjusted EBITDA came in at $306 million, a margin of 29%, with an expansion of 170 basis points versus Q3 last year, leading to Q3 free cash flow of $318 million.
Q:What is the purpose of the capital allocation framework and how was it applied in Q3?
A:The capital allocation framework aims to invest in product and technology innovation, balance sheet optimization, preserving flexibility for M&A, and managing dilution. In Q3, to mitigate dilution from employees' stock-based compensation, $199 million was allocated towards share repurchases and $115 million towards net share settlement of equity awards, resulting in fully diluted share count being roughly flat year over year.
Q:What is the preliminary guidance for Q4 in terms of revenue, adjusted EBITDA, and cost of revenue?
A:For Q4, the revenue is expected to be in the range of $1 billion to $1.338 billion, representing 14% to 16% growth year over year. The guidance assumes an impact of foreign exchange to be approximately a one-point tailwind based on current spot rates. Q4 2025 adjusted EBITDA is expected to be in the range of $533 million to $558 million. Non GAAP cost of revenue is expected to grow sequentially from Q3 by high single digits percent, and the primary area of investment will continue to be headcount growth within R&D for AI and other product initiatives, as well as the global sales team. The Q4 Adjusted EBITDA guidance confirms continued margin expansion in the second half of 2025, although it will be lower than the first half due to continued investment in revenue driving initiatives.
Q:What has been the strength of the platform in terms of users and how has shopping contributed to this?
A:The strength of the platform has been attributed to 9 straight quarters of record high users, with shopping playing a central role in the resurgence of the platform. The company has effectively become an AI-driven shopping assistant, with the core being the personalization of recommendations without users having to ask, as evidenced by the Pinterest Assistant that was announced.
Q:What are the strategies for advancing the AI-driven shopping experience on the platform?
A:The strategies for advancing the AI-driven shopping experience include continuing to focus on the visual-first experience while incorporating voice and AI at the forefront. The aim is to guide users through the decision-making journey, with a clear focus on delivering great buying experiences for users, such as the push-button buying with Amazon linked accounts. The company plans to apply AI in a way that helps users progress further down the commercial journey every time they return to the app.
Q:How does the company plan to leverage AI to align with monetization efforts and manage costs?
A:The company plans to leverage AI by aligning it with monetization efforts to ensure highly commercial search results while managing costs effectively. They have proprietary and compact models that perform well and are constantly testing leading off-the-shelf proprietary models against open-source models. Early testing indicates significant cost reductions using fine-tuned open-source models with comparable performance, which suggests that open-source models can be applied to more use cases at a lower cost than larger model providers.
Q:What is the outlook for Q4 and how does it compare to Q3 in terms of revenue growth?
A:The outlook for Q4 is for revenue to be in the range of $1 billion to $1.338 billion, with a year-over-year growth rate 1 point lower than Q3 due to continued market uncertainty and the addition of a new tariff impacting the home furnishings category. However, the company remains confident in achieving mid to high teens revenue growth targets over the medium and long term and sees momentum in emerging verticals, small and mid-market advertisers, and international opportunities as contributing factors.
Q:What is the impact of large retailers pulling back on spending due to margin pressure?
A:Despite an environment where some of the largest retailers have pulled back on spending across the industry, due to navigating tariff-related margin pressure, the company grew by 17%. This pullback notably affects large retailers, and the company has more exposure to this segment due to its focus on shopping.
Q:How is AI-driven platform optimization leading to better ad targeting and what has been the result of the Roas based bidding?
A:As advertisers adopt AI-driven platforms, there is a next level of optimization where bidding is becoming more aligned with advertisers' measurement sources of truth and more events leading up to a conversion are being incorporated. The company began this journey earlier this year with Roas-based bidding, resulting in a 100% increase in shopping SKUs with paid ad impressions across the platform in Q3 driven entirely by Roas bidding adopters.
Q:What is the potential for expanding AI-based optimization and how does it relate to alignment with advertisers' measurement sources of truth?
A:The company sees meaningful potential to expand further into AI-based optimization of other events valued by advertisers and their measurement sources of truth. They are testing this with some of their largest partners and have seen good early results. This alignment of AI bidding with the advertiser's measurement source of truth is market-expanding and should benefit the company in future quarters as they continue to roll out features that are early on their platform.
Q:What is the percentage increase in clicks to advertisers in Q3 and what does it indicate?
A:Clicks to advertisers increased 40% in Q3, and quick to advertisers out-paced revenue and all of the company's reported geographies. This indicates that while there is progress, there is more work to be done to properly credit the performance for these clicks.
Q:What is the company's stance on AI-generated content and how are they addressing content quality?
A:The company sees AI-generated content as a big tailwind for their platform and they are embracing it. They are addressing content quality through their recommender systems and by giving users choice in what they want to see. They are also leveraging AI-generated content while allowing users to provide direct feedback if they want to see less AI-driven content.
Q:How does the company distinguish between AI-generated and non-AI content, and what is their approach?
A:The company does not have a precise ability to catch 100% of what is AI generated but uses industry-level tags, metadata, and other indicators to get a sense of AI-generated content. Their approach is to not show no content as AI-generated, acknowledging that the ability to precisely spot it is not perfect for any platform. Over time, they expect nearly every piece of content to have been edited by AI in some form and it will come down to content recommendation and content quality.
Q:What is the company's strategy regarding programmatic and third-party demand, and what are their plans with respect to Magni?
A:The company's strategy has been very consistent, with first-party ad demand being the primary driver of growth and third-party demand complementing and rounding out their auction. With respect to Magni, the company is still working through integration tests and is in the early days of testing. They are focusing on bringing on new sources of demand on the platform and are exploring how their high-intent audience could be valuable to programmatic budget pools beyond their own platform.

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