AppLovin Corporation (APP.US) 2025年第三季度业绩电话会
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Discusses strategies to enhance advertising platforms, focusing on improving conversion rates, expanding advertiser range, leveraging AI, and global expansion. Highlights successful platform launches, robust gaming ad growth, and significant financial gains, underscoring commitment to innovation and market leadership.
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Apple Levin's earnings call for Q3 2025 covers financial updates, forward-looking statements, and non-GAAP measures. The call highlights risks, regulatory filings, and upcoming product launches, emphasizing the company's commitment to transparency and investor engagement.
The company celebrates its inclusion in the SP 500, highlighting Q3's strong performance in gaming advertising and self-service platform growth. It emphasizes Q4 and 2026's focus on improving models for advertisers, with early success in self-service ad spend growth.
The dialogue highlights Q3 financial achievements, including revenue and adjusted EBITDA growth, and outlines strategic priorities such as expanding AI capabilities, enhancing ad creative automation, and broadening platform access. It also discusses the company's commitment to compliance and transparency, and projects future financial outlook with revenue and adjusted EBITDA forecasts for Q4 2025.
The dialogue discusses the characteristics of new advertisers, noting they are comparable in size to the initial cohort but not materially smaller. It also outlines the guidance philosophy for Q4, emphasizing the impact of e-commerce referral program enhancements and holiday seasonality on the projected guidance.
The dialogue focuses on strategies to increase conversion rates through AI and generative tools, alongside expanding supply via higher ad quality, diverse content, and unlocking in-app purchasing opportunities for publishers, aiming to drive e-commerce advertiser growth without requiring significant increases in impressions.
A discussion on the rapid growth of e-commerce customer spend, emphasizing the importance of a seamless onboarding process and the integration of self-service tools. The focus is on ensuring high-quality advertiser engagement and minimizing customer complaints, aiming for scalable expansion and enhanced user experience over time.
Discusses strategies for integrating new advertising sectors without compromising existing gaming customer base, emphasizing model enhancements and data-driven approaches. Highlights progress in AI tools for ad creation and onboarding, aiming for seamless customer experience to support broader platform expansion.
Discussed the impact of transitioning from app store payments to auto payments, emphasizing the medium to long-term benefits. Highlighted the company's focus on improving tools and platform capabilities, confident in achieving long-term growth rates. Addressed the potential for extending the platform's reach to other publishers and services, indicating interest in opportunities that enhance offerings to advertisers and publishers.
Discusses how in-app purchasing and advertising markets have different growth rates and LTV calculation evolutions, with advertising showing faster growth due to better tools and increasing supply. Focuses on driving impact through promoting in-app purchasing and expanding supply on the Max platform, while noting challenges for mature games and opportunities for new ones.
Discussed metrics guiding platform expansion, emphasizing quality assurance before general availability. Highlighted ongoing optimization of user funnels and communication. Addressed strategic marketing budget allocation, focusing on high LTV and efficient user acquisition.
Discussed the consistent take rate across business categories, immaterial impact of advertising credits, and disciplined AI automation investment planning aligned with revenue growth.
A discussion on the availability of web-based services to EU advertisers, emphasizing the current focus on other business expansions over GDPR-compliant builds for the EU market. Guidance assumptions were clarified, indicating no incremental predictions for new advertiser onboarding impacts.
Discussed optimizing onboarding flow, feature requests, and international expansion strategies, emphasizing localized marketing and universal human behavior for global success.
Discussion on improved customer performance due to better tools and understanding, and addressing a Psu issue affecting a group of engineers with potential future recruitment benefits.
Discussion revolves around the flexible distribution of referral codes based on lead quality, emphasizing the importance of maintaining high standards for advertisers. The strategy is adaptive, aiming to support successful referral partners while ensuring customer value and platform integrity.
The dialogue discusses the company's rapid growth in gaming and e-commerce, emphasizing the potential for increased conversion rates and advertiser recruitment. It touches on future plans to broaden the supply base and connect with broader publishers, indicating a focus on demand-side platform development for sustained growth.
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Q:What are the characteristics of the advertisers onboard since October 1?
A:The characteristics of the advertisers onboard since October 1 are not explicitly detailed in the transcript, but it is mentioned that they are actively testing paid marketing to promote the Axon Ads platform to new customers and are confident that their platform will excel as an open platform for any type of advertiser.
Q:Is the company going more down market with these new advertisers?
A:The transcript does not confirm whether the company is going more down market with these new advertisers. While it mentions that the team is proud of their ability to execute while maintaining strong performance, it does not specify any changes in market targeting strategy.
Q:Why is using last year's Q4 as a comp for this year's is not ideal?
A:Using last year's Q4 as a comp for this year's guidance is not ideal because last year had an entirely new e-commerce business that was ramping up, while this year has an existing base. This makes it a non-best comparison year over year.
Q:How is the company planning to absorb a significant increase in e-commerce advertisers?
A:The company plans to absorb a significant increase in e-commerce advertisers by focusing on increasing the conversion rate, which is driven by model enhancements and continuous efforts to improve the conversion rate. The company is also looking at leveraging AI technologies for consistent incremental improvements and enhancing the recommendation system to improve personalization and maximize conversion rate.
Q:What role does AI play in improving conversion rates and ad personalization?
A:AI plays a role in improving conversion rates and ad personalization by enhancing model-driven personalization of ads and by creating ad creatives automatically for customers, which is expected to expand their conversion rate. The AI tools and technologies, still in the early stages of being understood and utilized, are anticipated to provide high-impact lifts in conversion rates.
Q:What factors are contributing to the growth of the Max platform ecosystem?
A:The growth of the Max platform ecosystem is driven by the higher quality of ads, increasing demand from a diverse set of advertisers, and unlocking supply from publishers who predominantly don't run ads or run them at a small percentage. Improvements in models also enable publishers to buy more users that are retained in their game, thus creating more growth in audience and monetization.
Q:What is the significance of the cohort's growth and customer addition in the business?
A:The significance of the cohort's growth and customer addition is that it shows a swift ramp-up in customer acquisition which, if it continues to compound, could lead to a 'snowball' effect on the business. The true value at this stage is not just in the numbers but in building a tool that is confident in converting a lot of customers over time without issues such as low-quality advertisers or customer complaints.
Q:What does the speaker look for when assessing the success of new customer additions?
A:The speaker looks for the ease of customer understanding of the value proposition and integration to go live, optimization of the conversion funnel, and the absence of customer complaints and issues to assess the success of new customer additions. Additionally, the speaker looks at the ability of the team to seamlessly bring a product to market and the performance of self-managing customers with the tools provided.
Q:What role do customer support tools and interface integrations play in the customer experience?
A:Customer support tools and interface integrations play a critical role in the customer experience by allowing customers to manage themselves without needing extensive customer support, which is evidenced by a reduction in customer support tickets. Large language model powered tools embedded in the interface provide support to customers, allowing them to get best practices from the tools enabled in the dashboard.
Q:How does the company manage the growth of its new business without impacting its core customer base?
A:The company manages the growth of its new business by not directly chasing new pockets of potential supply but focusing on building up demand to maintain or expand spend for gaming customers. The model enhancement and the understanding of these models provide confidence that as the density of advertisers increases, it will not diminish but rather expand the spend for gaming customers. The company ensures that the new business does not negatively impact the core gaming customer base and may even lead to positive outcomes such as more targeted advertising and better monetization of users.
Q:What is the impact of targeted advertising and the use of data from diverse customer purchases?
A:Targeted advertising and the use of data from diverse customer purchases help to improve the user experience by showing more relevant ads, potentially increasing engagement. As the company collects data from various customer segments, such as purchase amounts and browsing behaviors, it can inform the model about user preferences more accurately. This, in turn, enables the platform to show ads that are more likely to engage users, benefiting both the users and advertisers by increasing the overall effectiveness of ad placements.
Q:What progress has been made with the onboarding flows and generative AI creative tools?
A:The company is in the midst of making progress with onboarding flows and generative AI creative tools, which are seen as vital for launching GA at this point. The development of bots that interact with users and check the quality of ads or websites being promoted is ongoing. These bots are part of the process to tune and implement AI tools that will enhance the customer experience and the quality of advertising on the platform. The company has existing bots that automatically check for quality and will continue to improve and add more functionalities as it receives more data.
Q:What are the expectations regarding generative AI-based ad creatives and their timeline for integration into the system?
A:Generative AI-based ad creatives are advancing, with Sora 2 and other tools improving. It is expected that these tools will soon be able to create more content and significantly increase the number of ads on the platform. Testing of this technology with some tooling on top of large language models is anticipated in the next few weeks or months, with advertiser approval following, which could substantially increase ad counts.
Q:What factors are being considered to ensure a successful transition of new features to the platform?
A:Factors considered include the appropriateness of the conversion funnels, customer experience from onboarding to ramping, and whether the experience is seamless. There is also an emphasis on not being overwhelmed with inbound complaints or a need for support. Once these factors indicate readiness, the feature will be released.
Q:What is the impact of the transition from direct payments to auto payment products on the company's results?
A:The impact of the transition from direct payments to auto payment products is not yet material, according to the speaker, and is expected to become more impactful over the coming quarters. It is considered a medium to long-term tailwind; however, it is outside the company's control, and their focus is on the quality of their tools.
Q:How will the reduction in the tax from 30% to the lowest single digits affect the company's business?
A:The reduction in the tax from 30% to the lowest single digits is expected to result in a material lift in LTV for many in-and-out purchasing games, roughly by 20%. This will lead to better games through investment in content, improved profitability, and some portion going to marketing companies. The company doesn't control external factors but focuses on providing the best tools to their partners.
Q:What drove the Q3 results and how does the company view its growth opportunities?
A:Q3 results were driven by iterative improvements in the model, more advertisements on the platform, more advertisers on the platform, and a compounding effect. The company believes it is beating the long-term growth rate of 20% to 30% in its core category and is excited about the opportunity with a self-service platform. There is also potential for extending the reach of supply beyond mobile games.
Q:How does the company view the potential of extending its platform to include other services like CTV?
A:The company is aware that the category of content monetization is struggling except for walled gardens and games, largely due to the success of their platform. CTV has been mentioned in the past, and they consider it a potential prospect for extending their product offering to more publishers and broadening the monetization opportunities beyond what is currently accessible to open web and app publishers.
Q:How is the company responding to the demand versus supply constrictions in the market?
A:The company is responding to market conditions where they are currently not supply constrained but rather demand constrained. Their focus is on bringing on more advertisers to serve both existing and new demand, which will help to extend their offering to more publishers.
Q:What impact is the variability in growth rates between the in-app purchasing and advertising markets having on advertisers' LTV calculations?
A:The in-app advertising market is growing faster than the in-app purchasing market, which is creating a tailwind for publishers. As a result, advertisers' LTV calculations are evolving. With a reduction in the tax rate from 30% to 15%, there are better monetization mechanics, and more IAP games are needed. This is impacting the supply expansion and growth rates, with a focus on driving an impact in areas where they can provide significant support.
Q:What factors are critical for reaching general availability and what is the current focus of the business in terms of growth and optimization?
A:The critical factors for reaching general availability include managing spend to avoid rapid growth concerns, optimizing the conversion funnels, improving communications with clients, and refining the tooling inside the dashboard. The current focus of the business is on optimizing these areas to ensure a quality standard is met before opening up to prevent user concerns.
Q:Why is it important to take time to optimize the business before opening up to new advertisers?
A:It is important to take time to optimize the business before opening up to new advertisers to ensure a great experience for the advertisers, especially smaller ones like local laundromats, and to prevent being inundated with user concerns. The company aims to take their time to ensure the product meets their standards, with an estimated timeline of 'a short of 26' weeks.
Q:How does the company plan to approach paid marketing and what are the expectations regarding budget and user acquisition cost?
A:The company is actively testing paid marketing with a small budget and expects to scale this if performance is compelling. The paid marketing is aligned with a high lifetime value (LTV) to cost ratio for user acquisition. The company aims to demonstrate this through their advertising, keep a lean sales team, and not waste money on ineffective marketing. They expect that the dollars spent on paid marketing will be much greater than on user acquisition.
Q:What are the plans for using Salesforce automation and how will it impact the sales team?
A:The company is considering full automation of Salesforce, keeping a very lean sales team aligned with their traditional culture. This would involve automating onboarding through advertising all the way to the point of customer life. It is anticipated that while some sales people will still be needed, the overall sales team can remain small and efficient.
Q:Is there a difference in the take rate or revenue market between the E expense and the core gaming business, and how will this affect the advertising credits offered?
A:There is no significant difference in the take rate or revenue market between the E expense and the core gaming business. Advertising credits offered are a small fraction of the overall value of a new customer and are comparable to the cost of user acquisition through paid marketing. The business model treats web advertising and shops similarly to games, with a unified auction and a consistent take rate across the board.
Q:How does the company plan for scaling compute capacity requirements and what is the impact on financial projections?
A:The company plans to scale compute capacity requirements in a disciplined manner, buying GPU components a year in advance. Financial projections show spikes in infrastructure investment, which are reflected in the P&L but are not capitalized. The company aims to avoid over-investing ahead of revenue and maintains cost discipline in all aspects of the business.
Q:What is the status of web-based advertising becoming available to EU advertisers and what is the priority for the company in this regard?
A:Web-based advertising is currently available to EU advertisers, but the inventory for website or shop advertisers in the EU region is not yet open. The company anticipates that it is not a high priority for expansion as the EU represents only a small percentage of their business and adhering to GDPR rules requires additional build-out effort. The company's priority is on general release of the platform and building out other discussed tools.
Q:What are the points of friction in the onboarding flow?
A:The points of friction in the onboarding flow mentioned in the speech are related to optimizing the rate from sign-up to going live and dealing with feature requests. A lag time to integration and ramp-up was also mentioned as a potential reason for changes in feature requests over time.
Q:What are the common asks for future ads in Excel ad manager?
A:The speech does not provide specific details on common asks for future ads in Excel ad manager.
Q:How is the company addressing the issue of international expansion and what markets are currently available?
A:The company is focusing on optimizing language and developing channels for international expansion. It is available everywhere in the world except for EU traffic for web shops and web advertisers, and app advertisers are available worldwide. The customers currently have a Western focus and are not likely to expand into markets like Japan or Korea on their own.
Q:How does the company plan to make international a bigger component of its business?
A:The company plans to first focus on global markets that are already established, such as Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, where there is a similar English-speaking population to the US. Gradually, it will aim to open up platforms in more closed off markets like Japan and Korea, supported by technologies like LMS that facilitate language translation.
Q:How does the company intend to improve the customer experience?
A:The company aims to improve the customer experience by continuing to enhance product features, improve tooling, and increase understanding of its platform. Improvements include better ad creative, detailed ads, and a more effective understanding of the platform's capabilities by customers.
Q:What is the company's approach to dealing with low-quality advertisers?
A:The company's approach to dealing with low-quality advertisers is to ensure that the products listed are ones that their team would be willing to buy. This criterion acts as a basic standard for inclusion on the platform. However, this standard is not permanent, and the company is willing to consider even lower-quality advertisers if they present high value to their customers.
Q:What are the company's views on running out of inventory in its core gaming market?
A:The company does not anticipate running out of inventory in its core gaming market. They believe there is a long way to go due to the low amount of advertisers currently and the significant amount of spend they have relative to these advertisers. With more advertiser density, improved models, and the power of technology, they expect conversion rates to improve. The company is currently focused on strengthening the demand side of the platform, but eventually, they plan to broaden the supply base to include more publishers and TV connectivity.

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