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MARA Holdings (MARA.US) 2025年第三季度业绩电话会
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Mara, a digital infrastructure company, is strategically expanding through vertical integration, focusing on acquiring low-cost energy sources to support Bitcoin mining, AI inference, and data center operations. By partnering with MPLX for gas-fired power plants and developing modular data centers, Mara aims to optimize grid efficiency and increase profit per megawatt hour. The company is also exploring government initiatives for grid optimization and plans to grow its Bitcoin mining hash rate, positioning itself as a leader in AI and blockchain industries.
会议速览
Mars Inc.'s Q3 2025 Earnings Call: Forward-Looking Statements and Analyst Interview
The call, moderated by the VP of Investor Relations, includes forward-looking statements about Mars Inc.'s growth plans, liquidity, and financial performance. It highlights non-GAAP financial measures and references the shareholder letter. An analyst interview with management is conducted following prepared remarks, focusing on Q3 2025 earnings.
Mara's Vision: Integrating Bitcoin Mining and AI to Optimize Energy into Value and Intelligence
Mara discusses transitioning from Bitcoin mining to a vertically integrated digital infrastructure, leveraging abundant low-cost energy to create value in finance and intelligence. By focusing on AI inference and private cloud solutions, Mara aims to maximize the utility of every megawatt, integrating Bitcoin and AI on a single platform. Initiatives with mplx and acquisition of xion underscore Mara's commitment to expanding its AI and HPC infrastructure capabilities, positioning itself as a leader in secure, localized inference capacity for enterprises.
Mara's Strategic Shift: From Bitcoin Mining to Integrated Digital Infrastructure
Mara emphasizes transitioning from Bitcoin mining to a comprehensive digital infrastructure model, leveraging energy generation and compute capabilities. The company highlights operational excellence, strategic execution, and energy ownership as key pillars. Mara has expanded its Bitcoin holdings and compute capacity significantly, while also exploring international opportunities and optimizing capital allocation. The dialogue underscores Mara's vision to capitalize on power as a critical constraint in AI growth, positioning itself as a leader in the digital energy and infrastructure sector.
Vertical Integration and Energy Efficiency in AI and Bitcoin Mining
Discusses the strategic benefits of vertical integration, emphasizing access to low-cost, reliable energy and the flexibility to expand data center capacity. Highlights the importance of controlling power in digital infrastructure, with a focus on AI and Bitcoin mining. Addresses the cost efficiency and technological advancements in ASICs, contrasting with GPU depreciation, and predicts the market advantage of operating at the lowest cost per token.
Evolving Energy Efficiency in Computing: A Shift in Capital Expenditure Risk
Discusses the evolution from CPUs to ASICs in computing, highlighting the dramatic increase in compute power per joule of energy. The conversation explores the implications of this trend on capital expenditure risks, particularly for hyperscalers investing in long-term data center operations. It suggests that while hardware procurement carries significant risk due to rapid technological obsolescence, building large data centers also presents substantial challenges. The dialogue emphasizes the growing importance of energy efficiency and cost-effective hardware in mitigating these risks.
Exploring Business Models and Hardware Choices in AI Inference and GPU Hosting
Discusses various business models in GPU hosting, emphasizing inference AI powered by ASICs over GPUs, highlighting cost efficiency and future market potential in AI inference.
Xion's Role in EDF's Data Center Operations and Quantum Technology
Xion, an EDF subsidiary, operates four data centers, three in France and one in Canada, supporting nuclear fleet data processing. It offers AI and traditional data center services, houses quantum technology for research, and provides software solutions for fully encrypted, private data storage.
Investment in Secure Data Centers and Power Generation Expansion
Discusses the acquisition of Exxon's data center operations, highlighting their tier 3 and 4 data centers, encryption security, and customer key control. Emphasizes leveraging existing expertise for global expansion. Addresses regulatory hurdles for gas-fired power plant construction and grid attachment, noting confidence in securing necessary permits. Highlights a staged payment structure reflecting current business value and future growth potential.
Vertical Integration of Power and Data Centers for Enhanced Control and Cost Efficiency
The dialogue emphasizes the strategic advantage of vertically integrating gas-fired power plants with large-scale data centers, offering reliable, cost-effective power solutions. It discusses modular, containerized data center designs that can adapt to varying needs, from traditional Bitcoin mining to advanced AI applications. The conversation also highlights the growing preference for on-premises or near-premises AI solutions among corporations due to concerns over data security and operational risks, underscoring the importance of private cloud environments for mission-critical operations.
Importance of Customer Communication in Project Development
Discusses the necessity of engaging with customers who will fund the project, emphasizing understanding their needs and aligning project scope, possibly referring to a small-scale sample or pilot for validation.
Small Micro Data Centers as Prototypes for Enterprise AI Applications
Discusses the potential of small micro data centers as prototypes for enterprise AI, highlighting examples from oil drilling, financial trading, defense, healthcare, and media industries. Emphasizes the importance of considering future market trends and cost-effectiveness in AI adoption.
Milestones for Economic Growth: Energy Partnerships and Profit per Megawatt Hour
The dialogue focuses on identifying key milestones for economic growth, emphasizing the importance of large energy companies partnering with the company to monetize energy assets, the increasing use of inference AI in data centers, and the profit per megawatt hour as a critical operational KPI. It also touches on strategic flexibility in business decisions.
Strategic Execution in AI Inference and Energy Control for Business Growth
The dialogue emphasizes the strategic decision to integrate AI inference operations with energy asset control, aiming for a fully vertically integrated business model. The approach avoids public disclosure to prevent competitor emulation, focusing instead on gradual market awareness through consistent announcements, aligning with a long-term vision set a year ago.
Exploring Competitive Advantages in Sovereign Load Management Space
Discussion shifts to sovereign and foreign government initiatives, focusing on competitive edges in the load management sector, questioning what grants a leading position against rivals.
Prioritizing Government Partnerships for Grid Stability and Efficiency in Global Markets
By partnering directly with sovereign entities like ADP and IHC in UAE, the company establishes a reputation for grid balancing and efficiency, leading to welcomed opportunities in countries such as France, UK, Kenya, and Saudi Arabia, emphasizing a commitment to enhancing grid stability and integrating new loads like AI data centers.
Expanding Hash Rate and Emphasizing Strategic Partnerships for Global Bitcoin Mining Dominance
The dialogue underscores the necessity of growing hash rate to maintain a significant presence in the Bitcoin network, emphasizing strategic energy sourcing and partnerships. It highlights plans to double flair gas capacity, leverage low-cost wind and solar energy, and allocate resources between Bitcoin mining and AI, aiming to support network security and diversity while fostering long-term success through governmental and industrial relationships.
Investment in Advanced Mining Systems and AI-Driven Technologies for Enhanced Grid Capabilities
A mix of advanced systems, particularly those with unique load balancing capabilities, are being integrated into fleets to meet growing utility demands. Additionally, investments in AI-related businesses, such as securing large language models and developing ultra-high-speed cluster interconnect switch technology, are highlighted as strategic acquisitions for future solutions.
Valuing Bitcoin Mining Stocks: The Underrated Power of Integrated Energy and AI
The dialogue discusses how publicly traded Bitcoin mining companies have not fully realized their market value, emphasizing the importance of integrating energy generation and AI for future growth and investor recognition.
Investor Relations Call Concludes with Open Invitation for Further Queries
The call concludes by thanking participants, encouraging unresolved questions to be directed to the investor relations team, and wishing everyone a pleasant day.
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Q:What are the key components of Mars's strategy for evolving into a digital infrastructure company?
A:Mars's strategy for evolving into a digital infrastructure company involves leveraging abundant low-cost energy to power digital operations and to convert energy into value and intelligence, with a focus on Bitcoin mining and AI.
Q:How is Bitcoin positioned in the evolving digital economy according to Mars?
A:According to Mars, Bitcoin is positioned as digital energy, a mechanism for storing and transmitting value. It is seen as an essential part of the shift towards a digital economy where energy, not compute, is the primary constraint on AI growth.
Q:What is the significance of the AI industry focusing on inference, and why does Mars believe it will create the greatest value over time?
A:The significance of the AI industry focusing on inference is that it is where the value of AI is created and derived from the cost to build and operate data centers. Mars believes that as data centers become more efficient with advanced technology and lower costs, the primary constraint on AI growth will be energy, which aligns with their strategy.
Q:What are the two major initiatives that are propelling Mars's strategy forward?
A:The two major initiatives propelling Mars's strategy forward are the installation of AI inference racks at the Granbury site and the pending acquisition of Xion, a subsidiary of EDF, which will expand capabilities into enterprise-grade AI-optimized private cloud and HPC infrastructure.
Q:What is the purpose of Mars's acquisition of Xion, and what is the potential impact of the partnership with Mplx?
A:The purpose of Mars's acquisition of Xion is to expand their capabilities into enterprise-grade AI and HPC infrastructure, positioning Mars as a partner for secure, localized inference capacity. The partnership with Mplx aims to develop and operate multiple integrated power generation facilities and state-of-the-art data center campuses, providing long-term access to lower-cost natural gas and enabling Mars to develop and operate on-site power generation and compute infrastructure.
Q:What is the main advantage of Mars's approach to deploying AI infrastructure?
A:The main advantage of Mars's approach to deploying AI infrastructure is the deployment of smaller modular facilities at lower-cost power sites, enabling Mars to capture value at the inference layer while continuing to monetize mining and grid sales. This distributed model also allows for the potential shift towards HPC over time as economics and infrastructure support.
Q:How is Mars's transition to a digital infrastructure leader expected to be recognized by the market?
A:Mars's transition to a digital infrastructure leader is expected to be recognized by the market through the diversification of their model, encompassing energy generation, Bitcoin mining, and infrastructure platforms. This integrated approach is anticipated to be increasingly valued as energy ownership becomes more strategic in the digital economy.
Q:What is the growth percentage of Bitcoin holdings between Q3 2024 and 2025?
A:Bitcoin holdings expanded by over 98% between Q3 2024 and 2025, growing from approximately 27,000 to nearly 53,000 Bitcoin.
Q:How did revenues and net income change from the third quarter of 2024 to the same period in the previous year?
A:Revenues increased 92% to $252.4 million from $131.6 million in the third quarter of 2024, and the net income was $123.1 million or 27 cents per diluted share, compared to a net loss of $124.8 million, or negative 42 cents per diluted share, in the third quarter of the previous year.
Q:What gain was booked on digital assets during the third quarter of 2025?
A:A $343.1 million gain on digital assets, including Bitcoin receivable, was booked during the third quarter of 2025.
Q:How does the company manage its Bitcoin holdings and digital asset strategy?
A:The company seeks to generate returns on its Bitcoin holdings as prices depreciate, combining long-term appreciation with disciplined efforts to manage risk. It also uses Bitcoin as collateral to borrow under lines of credit, with approximately one third of its total holdings activated through this digital asset management strategy.
Q:What is the company's position regarding cash and liquidity as of September 30, 2025?
A:As of September 30, 2025, the company held over $7 billion in liquid assets, providing the flexibility to fund domestic growth and pursue international expansion.
Q:What is the company's strategy regarding energy infrastructure projects?
A:The company is executing on a pipeline of energy infrastructure projects both in the U.S. and internationally, aiming to expand capabilities while keeping costs low.
Q:What does the new deal announced signify for the company's future plans?
A:The new deal provides access to low-cost, reliable energy around the clock and enables the potential addition of up to 1.5 GW of data center capacity, offering the company significant flexibility for future plans, including AI, HPC, and Bitcoin mining.
Q:How does the company view the importance of controlling and owning power in the digital infrastructure space?
A:The company believes controlling and owning power is essential for any company in the digital infrastructure space, as access to energy is critical. They foresee that inference will be a significant value creator in the long term and that Bitcoin mining has a crucial role to play in grid balancing and providing flexible loads to support AI operations.
Q:Why do companies like Ramco choose to build their own models instead of using cloud-based solutions?
A:Companies like Ramco do not use cloud-based solutions because they prioritize data sovereignty and prefer to maintain private control over their seismic data, thus building their own models to handle this data.
Q:What are the primary concerns for corporations when it comes to using cloud services?
A:Corporations are primarily concerned about data sovereignty and privacy, as they do not want their data to be in the cloud operated by a third party. They want to retain control and avoid risks associated with system failures that could result from relying on off-site cloud services.
Q:Why are major corporations like those in the financial market moving AI systems out of the cloud?
A:Major corporations in the financial market are moving AI systems out of the cloud and towards on-prem or near-premises private solutions because it is significantly less expensive to operate in this manner.
Q:How do micro data centers play a role in on-premises AI for enterprises?
A:Micro data centers could become the prototype for enterprises to house their own on-premises AI. They act as mini data centers that can be deployed at the enterprise site to manage and process data locally, offering reduced latency and better control over AI operations.
Q:What industries are likely to be significant consumers of AI and why?
A:Significant consumers of AI are likely to be industries such as defense, healthcare, manufacturing, and the movie and television industry, due to their high demands for AI in operations like drug discovery, complex manufacturing processes, and AI integration in theater of war operations.
Q:What potential partnership with large energy companies indicates success in the AI business model?
A:A potential partnership with large energy companies indicates success in the AI business model if they choose to sign partnership agreements to monetize their energy assets with companies like ours, suggesting the energy companies see value in working with us to maximize the value of their produced energy.
Q:What metrics should be considered when evaluating the profitability and efficiency of AI operations?
A:Proficiency in evaluating the profitability and efficiency of AI operations includes looking at profit per megawatt hour (MWh), which is a key performance indicator representing the profit generated from every MWh of energy consumed or produced in the data centers.
Q:Why is the company choosing not to disclose details of their colocation clients or deals for the site in West Texas?
A:The company is choosing not to disclose details of their colocation clients or deals for the site in West Texas because they want maximum optionality to decide for themselves who they want to work with and what they want to do with their business. Additionally, being able to operate inference AI and make money without a colocation deal provides insight into their business model.
Q:What has not changed in the company's strategy despite the pivot towards a more private approach to their offerings?
A:The company's strategy has not changed despite the pivot towards a more private approach. They still intend to own power and run their business based on controlling energy assets, being fully vertically integrated. They have been purposefully operating like a startup to ensure everything is in place for market awareness and strategic execution.
Q:What is the company's strategy in the sovereign load management space, and how does it differentiate them from competitors?
A:The company's strategy in the sovereign load management space is to be purposefully operate like a startup, focusing on having everything in place for market awareness and strategic execution. They have not disclosed all details to prevent competitors from emulating their strategies too closely, and they leverage their full vertical integration with power ownership and AI capabilities to differentiate themselves in the market.
Q:What approach has the speaker's company chosen when entering new markets?
A:The speaker's company has chosen to directly work with the sovereign in new markets, such as in UAE, by partnering with local entities like ADP and IHC and operating joint ventures to balance the grid.
Q:How has the company's reputation in grid efficiency led to its welcome in various countries?
A:The company's reputation for working well with government entities, following rules, and being a 'good grid citizen' has led to them being welcomed with open arms in various countries such as the UK, Kenya, Saudi Arabia, and others, because they focus on making the grid more efficient and stable.
Q:Why does the company believe it is important to partner with the government?
A:The company believes it is important to partner with the government because if they are friends with the government, they have the advantage of being approached for further collaboration as the government looks to expand their operations. This builds a long-term, successful relationship with the partners.
Q:What is the speaker's position on the importance of maintaining diversity in Bitcoin mining?
A:The speaker believes it is the company's duty to continue growing the hash rate both in the United States and globally to support the security and diversity of the Bitcoin blockchain and prevent it from being dominated by a small handful of players.
Q:How does the company plan to grow its hash rate economically?
A:The company plans to grow its hash rate economically by utilizing low-cost power, including power from a wind farm in Texas, solar flare gas, and energy that can be allocated between Bitcoin mining and AI.
Q:What is the current strategy regarding the deployment of mining systems?
A:The company's current strategy is to deploy a mix of different mining systems, including AURAY, due to different characteristics that are suitable for different environments. Over time, it is expected that more AURAY systems will be added to the fleet.
Q:What are the new AI-related business ventures the company has spun out?
A:The company has spun out two AI-related businesses: one called ESCAPE, which focuses on securing large language models and received positive reviews at the RSA show, and another called SCALEUP, a startup around ultra-high-speed cluster interconnect switch technology.
Q:Why does the speaker believe the company's stock has not received its fair share of the market cap created by Bitcoin mining?
A:The speaker believes the company's stock has not received its fair share of the market cap created by Bitcoin mining because the market has not fully valued the Bitcoin mining infrastructure and business. As the business evolves with energy generation and AI, it is expected that more attention and value will be attributed to the company's model and operations.
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