Verizon (VZ.US) 2025年第三季度业绩电话会
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Verizon prioritizes customer satisfaction, aiming for low churn and market leadership through targeted value propositions and AI-driven efficiency. The company commits to cost transformation, optimizing capital for growth, and divesting legacy assets. Investments in fiber, fixed wireless, and broadband-mobility convergence support sustainable growth and shareholder returns, underpinned by a cultural shift towards customer-centricity and financial discipline.
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Verizon's incoming CEO highlights the company's strong network foundation and outlines a strategic shift towards customer-centric growth, aiming to enhance value proposition and customer experience while maintaining financial discipline and profitability.
Verizon reports strong Q3 financials with increased revenues, EBITDA, and free cash flow. Highlights include convergence benefits, broadband growth, and FWA success. Plans for cost efficiency, debt reduction, and the Frontier acquisition are outlined, emphasizing future growth strategies.
Verizon's strategic shift focuses on enhancing customer satisfaction, optimizing cost structures, and leveraging AI to innovate and sustain long-term growth, ensuring competitive advantage and shareholder returns.
Verizon outlines a strategy to focus on key growth areas, sunset legacy businesses, and optimize capital allocation for improved shareholder returns. The company plans to leverage the Frontier acquisition for cross-selling opportunities, expand fiber footprint, and enhance customer experience while maintaining fiscal responsibility and a strong commitment to dividends.
The CEO expresses excitement about Verizon's potential, highlighting the company's strong assets including its network, brand, customer base, and team. Acknowledging the need for change, he outlines a vision to move beyond the current status quo, emphasizing confidence in the ability to pivot and improve consumer volumes.
The dialogue outlines a strategic framework focusing on transitioning to a customer-centric approach to reduce churn, simultaneously driving sustainable revenue and EPS growth through OpEx savings, and optimizing capital allocation by investing in profitable areas while divesting unprofitable legacy businesses, all aimed at responsible market leadership and shareholder returns.
Discusses Verizon's approach to improving customer value perception and market share without aggressive pricing, emphasizing financial discipline and targeted marketing strategies.
The company reaffirms its long-term leverage target, emphasizing strong cash flow and balance sheet capacity for growth. It discusses the impact of Frontier's addition, short-term adjustments, and a commitment to debt reduction and strategic opportunities.
Discusses parallels between PayPal and Verizon's strategies, emphasizing the importance of a customer-centric approach. Highlights Verizon's need for efficiency and cultural shift towards customer focus, akin to PayPal's success. Mentions potential for a super app-like strategy and ongoing efforts to redefine value proposition.
Discusses the strategic importance of convergence between fiber and wireless technologies, emphasizing growth in broadband and mobility while considering divestment from legacy, margin-draining areas. Plans for innovation and aggressive investment in expansion are highlighted, with a promise for more detailed strategies in early next year.
The dialogue focuses on strategies to improve free cash flow growth by 2026, including cost transformation and efficient capital spending. It also addresses customer account growth, emphasizing the need to delight customers through smart and responsible market competition, while maintaining a strong customer experience and value proposition.
Discusses methods to decrease subscriber turnover, emphasizing proactive strategies and AI utilization. Highlights the importance of competitive offers and cultural shifts in large organizations, alongside leveraging AI for efficiency gains and exploring opportunities in AI infrastructure expansion.
Discusses AI's rapid advancement, its potential to revolutionize operations, and enhance customer experience through personalized services, highlighting its growing significance for industry innovation.
Discussion covers Verizon's strategic fiber expansion through organic growth and acquisitions, emphasizing capital-light partnerships and market leadership through cost reduction and investment in customer value.
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Q:What are Dan Shulman's credentials and experience prior to becoming CEO at Verizon?
A:Dan Shulman comes to the role of CEO at Verizon with extensive experience in the technology, telecoms, and wireless industries. He began his career as an assistant account executive at New Jersey Bell and spent 18 years at AT&T, eventually becoming the president of its consumer division. He has led and grown iconic consumer brands and has served on the Verizon board for the past seven years.
Q:What are the key priorities for Verizon going forward as stated by the new CEO, Dan Shulman?
A:Dan Shulman, the new CEO for Verizon, mentioned that the company's priority is to build the best and most reliable network. After that foundation is established, the focus will be on delighting customers by building the industry's best overall value proposition and the best customer experience. The company will also shift to a customer-first focus, redefining its trajectory towards sustainable value for shareholders through financially disciplined growth.
Q:How is Verizon planning to expand its fiber footprint and what impact is expected from the acquisition of Frontier?
A:Verizon plans to expand its fiber footprint through a significant investment in fiber and the acquisition of Frontier, which is expected to close early next year. The acquisition is anticipated to provide a stronger foundation for future growth and enable Verizon to capture more customer opportunities. Additionally, the company aims to bring its best-in-class broadband offerings to more households across the country, focusing on markets outside of the Verizon and Frontier footprints.
Q:What strategic shift is Verizon making to improve its customer proposition and experience?
A:Verizon's strategic shift to improve its customer proposition and experience involves a move to a customer-first focus. The company aims to redefine its trajectory by building an enhanced value proposition and the best customer experience. This entails a fundamental change in the company's strategic approach to customers, with an emphasis on financially disciplined growth and winning with the right customers.
Q:What were the key financial performance indicators for Verizon in the third quarter?
A:In the third quarter, Verizon delivered strong postpaid phone growth and a 16% year-over-year increase in consumer upgrades tied to its best value guarantee. The company saw positive subscriber growth, with 5.4 million fixed wireless access subscribers and an annualized revenue exceeding $10 billion. Consolidated revenue grew 1.5% to $33.8 billion, with year-over-year wireless service revenue growth and continued ARPU growth. However, the company faced a prepaids amortization headwind and expects it to continue, while underlying customer economics remain healthy.
Q:What is the focus of Verizon's cost management efforts going forward?
A:Verizon's cost management efforts going forward will focus on driving significant cost savings across all aspects of the business. This is mentioned as a critical action for the company to further reduce its cost of services and S&A (sales and administrative expenses). The new CEO, Dan Shulman, will outline additional strategies regarding cost management during his discussion.
Q:How much more in Adjusted EBITDA has the company generated year to date compared to the same period in the previous year?
A:The company has generated almost $1.3 billion more in Adjusted EBITDA year to date compared to the same period in the previous year.
Q:What was the free cash flow for the third quarter and how does it compare to the prior year?
A:Third quarter free cash flow was $12 billion, representing a nearly $1.9 billion improvement year over year and the highest reported in the industry for the period.
Q:How has the net unsecured debt changed from the end of the previous year and what is the leverage ratio as of the end of the third quarter?
A:Net unsecured debt at the end of the quarter was $112 billion, a $9.4 billion improvement year over year, resulting in a net unsecured debt to consolidated Adjusted EBITDA ratio of 2.2 times, which is ahead of schedule and before the frontier closing.
Q:When is the expected closing date for the Frontier deal and what progress has been made?
A:The company remains on track to close the Frontier deal in the first quarter of 2026. They have received approvals from 25 of 27 states and are making good progress in the remaining jurisdictions, with integration planning on track.
Q:What is the Board's mandate for the new leadership, and what are the key objectives?
A:The Board has given a clear mandate to unlock the growth potential of the platform while delivering strong financial results. The key objectives are to transform the company's culture and financial profile under principles of being bold, customer-centric, and executing with financial discipline to focus on shareholder value.
Q:What are the main issues identified with the company's current financial strategy and culture?
A:The current strategy relies too heavily on price increases without subscriber growth, which is not sustainable. The company's culture needs to shift to a customer-first approach with a more efficient cost structure to delight customers and win in the market.
Q:What is the top strategic imperative for Verizon and how will it achieve sustainable long-term revenue and adjusted EPS growth?
A:The top strategic imperative is to grow the customer base profitably across mobility and broadband subscription services. This will be achieved by competing and growing responsibly across all market segments, delighting customers, and leveraging network excellence along with innovative customer value propositions.
Q:What is the plan for using AI at Verizon?
A:Verizon plans to use AI as a key tool to improve the customer experience, simplify offers, reduce churn through smart and personalized marketing, and improve service by reducing costs and complexity across the business.
Q:What is the approach to legacy businesses and how will it affect the company's profitability?
A:The company plans to narrow its focus to invest in key growth areas and aggressively sunset or exit legacy businesses where there is no clear path to profitable market leadership, aiming for margin improvement.
Q:What are the near-term growth opportunities mentioned and what is the expected impact of the Frontier acquisition?
A:Convergence is a significant near-term growth opportunity, with the acquisition of Frontier enabling Verizon to serve a large number of fiber passings for cross-selling. The acquisition is expected to drive meaningful revenue synergies and improve free cash flow.
Q:What is the stance of the speaker on capital structure and shareholder returns?
A:The speaker is committed to maintaining a fiscally responsible approach by optimizing capital structure and enhancing shareholder returns. This includes examining operating expenses, capital spend, and capital allocation, with a focus on continued debt repayment, value-creating capital return, and maintaining a sacrosanct commitment to the dividend to preserve financial capacity for strategic investments.
Q:What are the main priorities of the speaker's vision for the company?
A:The speaker's main priorities include delighting customers to increase industry net adds, cost transformation to fundamentally restructure the expense base, capital efficiency, optimizing investments, and accelerating shareholder returns by enhancing bottom line growth, maintaining a commitment to the dividend, and paying down debt.
Q:How does the speaker plan to compete going forward?
A:The speaker plans to redefine what it means to be a Verizon customer by aggressively competing and transforming the company. This involves leveraging a strong network, scale, and brand, combined with strategic clarity and execution to achieve sustainable growth. The plan requires hard work, strategic focus, and thoughtful execution, and critical planning and evaluation are already well underway.
Q:What are the three pillars of the speaker's plan to transform the company?
A:The three pillars of the plan are: (1) Shifting from being technology-centric to customer-centric, focusing on customer delight and growth through retention with the lowest churn rate in the industry; (2) Driving shareholder returns through sustainable revenue growth, accelerated adjusted EPS growth, and maintaining a commitment to the dividend; and (3) Reviewing CapEx spend and capital allocation to continue investing in growth areas and divest legacy businesses without a clear path to profitability.
Q:How does the speaker plan to grow the company in the consumer segment?
A:The speaker plans to grow the company in the consumer segment by becoming more customer-centric, delighting customers, and focusing on customer retention. This involves creating the best value proposition segmented by market segments, thoughtfully examining the marketing mix, and providing the best customer experience to win over the long term.
Q:What is the speaker's position on the use of leverage for potential business opportunities?
A:The speaker indicates that the company reviews opportunities to potentially flex leverage higher if the right business opportunities present themselves, especially considering market conditions and future spectrum availability from regulatory bodies like the FCC. However, details on specific leverage adjustments or strategic use in future scenarios are not provided in the transcript.
Q:What are the primary reasons customers are leaving the company?
A:The primary reasons customers are leaving the company are price increases, friction in the customer experience, value perception issues, and competitive intensity due to many industry offers.
Q:How does the company plan to address the issues with customer experience and value perception?
A:The company plans to address these issues by fixing the experience friction, enhancing the value proposition, increasing segmentation and targeting of offers, and leveraging elements like convergence.
Q:What is the marketing approach mentioned that involves the five Ps?
A:The marketing approach mentioned involves utilizing the traditional four Ps of marketing along with an additional 'P' which stands for 'prayer'. The speaker humorously indicates that pricing is considered the last resort in marketing when all else fails, but emphasizes that the company has many tools to create incremental value for customers.
Q:What are the company's strategic plans for market share and customer churn?
A:The company aims to start increasing its share of the new-to-the-industry postpaid add market, reduce churn to become the industry best, and win in a fiscally prudent manner.
Q:Can you discuss the company's balance sheet and potential for strategic flexibility?
A:The company is comfortable with its long-term leverage target and has a history of executing with the balance sheet. It has strong cash flows, reiterated annual guidance, and is focused on generating strong cash flows for investing in growth and maintaining balance sheet capacity for strategic opportunities.
Q:What parallels exist between Verizon and PayPal, and where does Verizon see the biggest need for change?
A:The speaker notes similarities between the two companies in terms of needing to be customer-centric and addressing customer pain points. The biggest need for change at Verizon is in the business model to become a customer champion by listening to customers, understanding their expectations, and solving their issues.
Q:How is Verizon planning to enhance its value proposition and become more efficient?
A:Verizon is planning to invest heavily in its value proposition and cut costs by being more efficient and scrappier. It is also focusing on becoming more customer-centric and is undergoing a cultural shift from being technology-centric to customer-centric.
Q:Does Verizon plan to adopt a super app strategy, and how will it position itself in the market?
A:While acknowledging the similarities between PayPal's success and Verizon's potential, the company is hesitant to adopt a super app strategy and prefers to develop its thoughts further. There will be more updates and clarity on the company's direction as time progresses.
Q:What is the vision for convergence in terms of physical and fiber footprint, and how does it relate to fixed wireless investment?
A:The vision for convergence involves integrating the physical and fiber footprint and possibly leveraging fixed wireless as a way to drive more broadband business. The company is also assessing the importance of legacy businesses versus strategic growth areas and is trying to define these internally and externally for shareholders.
Q:What are the expected revenue benefits from the convergence of mobility with fiber?
A:The expected revenue benefits from the convergence of mobility with fiber include lower churn rates, incremental broadband revenues, and incremental mobile revenue. This is anticipated to be a significant focus moving forward, with investments being made in broadband, fiber, and fixed wireless footprints.
Q:What is the focus of the company's investment strategy?
A:The company's investment strategy is focused on broadband and mobility. It will also explore potential large opportunity areas such as AI infrastructure. Additionally, the company plans to invest in growth areas and consider divesting or exiting non-profitable parts of the business that are costing billions of dollars in margins.
Q:How does the company plan to achieve free cash flow growth in 2026?
A:The company plans to achieve free cash flow growth in 2026 by starting with strong cash flow generation from the business, which has the strongest free cash flow in the industry. It aims to significantly transform costs, be very efficient with capital spending, and complete initiatives in 2025 that are expected to be at the lower end of the range or better. The company is prioritizing investments in mobility and broadband while being efficient with capital spend and focusing on areas aligned with growth.
Q:What is the strategy for account growth and customer delight?
A:The strategy for account growth involves being more aggressive in delighting customers, focusing on what customers want rather than competitors, and avoiding irrational promotional spend. The company aims to create the best value propositions, ensure the very best customer experience, and delight customers through thoughtful marketing mix elements. The goal is for prospects to want to come to Verizon and for customers to never want to leave.
Q:What strategies or tools does Dan believe are best for reducing churn and being proactive versus reactive in retaining subscribers?
A:Dan suggests that the strategies for reducing churn include having a clear understanding of what drives churn and addressing each of those factors one by one. He emphasizes the need to be proactive and continue growing through retention while also ensuring the right offers are available in the marketplace to remain competitive. Evidence of these efforts is expected to become visible in the current quarter, although change may take some time.
Q:How does Dan plan to implement a company-wide transformation using AI, and what are his thoughts on the future of AI?
A:Dan has a keen understanding of AI's potential and its transformative effect on the internet's operations, moving from a broadcast model to a more individualized approach. He acknowledges that AI is advancing rapidly, with models improving significantly every 2 to 3 months and believes that AI can enhance operations and the customer experience across various functions at Verizon and other organizations. Furthermore, AI can improve the value proposition for customers, allowing for more efficient and proactive engagement.
Q:What is the apparent inconsistency between Verizon's slow organic fiber expansion and its aggressive external fiber investments, and how does Verizon plan to reconcile this?
A:The inconsistency between Verizon's modest organic fiber expansion and its significant external fiber investments appears to be reconciled through partnerships, such as the one with Tillman. This partnership is described as capital-light and allows Verizon to expand broadband capabilities beyond its current footprint and increase the convergence of services. Despite the slower organic growth, Verizon remains on track to add fiber to 650,000 homes and is committed to the expansion deal with Tillman, indicating a continued focus on fiber infrastructure.
Q:How does Verizon plan to invest for market leadership and ensure cost reductions are reinvested into value propositions?
A:Verizon's strategy for reclaiming market leadership involves significant investment in the marketplace. The company aims to offset these investments through cost reductions and the redeployment of those savings into enhancing its value proposition. Cost reductions are considered a way of life for Verizon, and the company is focused on being more agile and efficient, investing wisely in all elements of Opex and CapEx to drive growth and shareholder value.






