小鹏汽车-W (09868.HK,XPEV.US) 2025年第二季度业绩电话会
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Xang Inc. reported record Q2 2025 results with a 242% YOY increase in vehicle deliveries, driven by the Mona M 0 3 Max and G7 launches. The company achieved a 14.3% vehicle gross margin, marking eight consecutive quarters of improvement. Key strategies include AI innovation, design prioritization, and adapting to regulatory changes, with Q3 forecasts projecting significant growth and market share expansion.
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The meeting announced the financial and operational results for the second quarter of 2025 for the company, with detailed interpretations by management and an open question and answer session. The discussion included forward-looking statements and risk warnings, and financial indicators have been comprehensively reviewed in accordance with both GAAP and non-GAAP standards.

In the second quarter of 2025, the company's core business and financial indicators performed excellently, with delivery volume increasing by 242% year-on-year to reach 103,181 units, with the Mona M 03 Max becoming a best-selling product. Despite facing price competition, the company still maintains a long-term sustainable growth strategy, with gross profit margin increasing to 14.3% and overall gross profit margin reaching 17.3%. Free cash flow exceeded 2 billion RMB, and cash reserves reached 47.5 billion RMB.

G7 is equipped with a self-developed Turing AI SOC, leading in sales, with automatic treatment functions accounting for over 50%. The Ma plus Ultra experience marks the beginning of a new chapter in the industry. Quantum super electric vehicle models will be mass-produced in Q4, upgraded to an intelligent dual-energy system platform in 2020, including advanced AI models based on vision, Turing AI SOC Ultra charging battery units, and Kunm super electric systems, achieving modular, supply chain optimization, and product cycle scalability, driving sales growth.

The dialogue discussed the comprehensive development and cross-disciplinary integration of AI in the physical world, enhancing technological leadership; attracting and retaining talent, optimizing management practices, and enhancing organizational capacity; shifting towards commercial success in products, strengthening branding, and increasing profitability; as well as integrating into global market demands, attracting international users with a long-term perspective, and showcasing unique global strategies.

The all-new P7 smart electric sedan, positioned in the 300,000 RMB price range, will officially be launched next week. This model stands out with its unique design, outstanding performance, and leading AI technology, making it the ideal choice for young consumers and indicating future design trends. Pre-sales have exceeded all previous models, with monthly sales expected to surpass 40,000 units starting in September, potentially placing it in the top three among electric sedans in its class.

In Q4, X9 QUM super electric version will be launched, with a pure electric cruising range of over 450km and a comprehensive cruising range of over 1500km, leading the same class of vehicles. In the future, multiple super electric vehicles will be equipped with top-notch pure electric cruising range and 5C super charging technology. After ten years of independent research and development, a high-performance AI chip and basic model have been built to achieve cross-domain integration, improve iteration speed, and create a physical world AI super agent. XON G7 and P7 lead L3-level autonomous driving, with all models equipped with self-developed Turing AI SOC, with a total computing power of 2250Tops, far exceeding competitors. The scale of on-board model parameters reaches billions, doubling the frame rate, to achieve a more intelligent, safer, and more environmentally friendly driving experience.

The technology company plans to launch a VLA equipped with the latest Turing SOC, aiming to become the safest intelligent assistant, simplifying and enhancing goods transportation. It is expected that within 18 months, its performance will surpass the industry-leading urban Ada solutions. By 2026, L4 level autonomous driving vehicles will achieve mass production and launch robot taxi services in selected areas. In addition, the company's humanoid robot project has also made significant progress, planning to start mass production in the second half of 2026, showcasing a new generation of robots.

Introduced a AI chip designed specifically for smart cockpits, with computing power far exceeding industry-leading levels, integrated with the VLM model. It not only enhances assisted driving, but also serves as an intelligent assistant in the vehicle, expected to master multiple languages, emotional communication, and proactive services, greatly improving the user experience of future AI vehicles. This technology demonstrates global applicability, and welcomes cooperation with top global enterprises to jointly promote the innovation of smart cockpit technology.

In the first half of 2025, overseas business performance was strong, with delivery of over 18,000 units, a year-on-year growth of over 200%, ranking top in 10 markets, especially in the high-end market. In July, the localization production of X9 in Indonesia became an important milestone. It is expected that by the second half of 2026, the quantum super electric series will be fully launched to the international market, including automatic suites, significantly expanding the global market. It is estimated that the delivery volume in Q3 will be 113,000 to 118,000 units, a year-on-year growth of 142.8% to 153.6%, and revenue is expected to reach 19.6 billion to 21 billion yuan, a year-on-year increase of 94% to 107.9%. In Q4, dual-energy intelligent driving solutions will be introduced to consolidate market leadership and promote sustainable profitability. In the next three years, the goal is to double the market share at home and abroad, and enhance global user value through AI innovation.

In the second quarter of 2025, the company's total revenue reached 1.827 billion yuan, a year-on-year increase of 125.3% and a quarter-on-quarter increase of 15.6%, mainly driven by an increase in vehicle delivery volume. Vehicle sales revenue was 1.688 billion yuan, a year-on-year increase of 140% and a quarter-on-quarter increase of 15.6%. Service and other income was 0.139 billion yuan, a year-on-year increase of 10% and a quarter-on-quarter decrease of 5%. The gross profit margin was 14.3%, with improvements both year-on-year and quarter-on-quarter. Operating loss was 0.048 billion yuan, a year-on-year decrease of 60% and a quarter-on-quarter decrease of 50%. As of the end of June, the company's total cash and cash equivalents, restricted cash, short-term investments, and term deposits amounted to 4.75 billion yuan.

Discussed means such as adjusting product layout, upgrading technology, emotional marketing, and brand building. The plan is to launch high-end models between 2026 and 2027 in order to increase the average selling price and profits, and achieve the goals of globalizing the brand and accelerating brand building.

Discussed the competitive situation in the field of intelligent driving, emphasizing the importance of supercomputing power, model optimization, and data accumulation. It is pointed out that various major players in the current market have similar performance at the software level, but can achieve surpassing by improving computing power, model and data quality. It is expected that by the end of the year, there will be a significant gap with competitors, and the following year will achieve a technological advantage of more than ten times through L4 level autonomous driving and the Ultra Trim version.

Both parties announced the deepening of their cooperation, expanding their collaboration on electrical and electronic architecture from the battery electric vehicle market in China to include more vehicle models, including Volkswagen's plug-in hybrid vehicles. It is expected that starting from Q1 of 2024, IP licensing revenue will serve as a new third source of continuous income, demonstrating the strategic value and future growth potential of the cooperation between both parties.

Discussed the possibility of launching a 2B version of the vehicle in the future to differentiate it from existing products, and inquired about whether the current product will be able to provide L4 level autonomous driving functionality through OTA next year.

The conversation discussed the development of future L4 autonomous driving vehicles, divided into two types: manned driving and unmanned driving. Emphasis was placed on the technological innovation that does not require high-definition maps and Lidar, as well as the non-necessity of software redundancy and cloud management. Differences in vehicle interaction with pedestrians were mentioned, such as robot vehicles responding to hand gestures to stop, while consumer vehicles do not. Finally, the discussion touched on plans for further expansion of trial operation and partnerships, as well as the necessary approval of policies and regulations.

Pre-sales orders for P7 far exceeded expectations, making it one of the best-selling models in history, with young males being the main purchasers. Not only is the car's exterior design attractive, but it also performs strongly on the racetrack and highway, receiving high praise from users and the media. The goal is to rank among the top three in the pure electric vehicle market in the price range of 200-300 thousand, striving to improve its ranking.

The dialogue revolves around the OEM company's robot taxi rental strategy, emphasizing the importance of technological iteration and regulatory adaptation, as well as the challenges and prospects of promoting robot taxis globally. It proposes a vision for the future of driving without navigation and OTA update technology.

Discussed the reasons for the 3.8% quarterly growth in automobile sales, pointing out that it was mainly due to changes in product mix, especially the increase in market share of new models GS and GI. These models achieved a healthy gross profit margin with technological improvements and specification upgrades. At the same time, scale production and supply chain optimization also reduced material costs, jointly driving profit growth.

Discussed the continuous increase in research and development expenses, mainly used to enhance AI capabilities, develop dual-energy platform vehicles, and expand the engineering team. Sales expenses increased in the second quarter due to high delivery volumes and product launches, and are expected to further increase in the third quarter due to more new product releases. The company is committed to continuing to invest to ensure marketing and advertising expenses adequately support product releases.

The transition of the company's product strategy was discussed, emphasizing a shift from engineering prioritization to design prioritization, placing design aesthetics at the forefront of product development. By increasing investment in the design department, it ensures that the products have no shortcomings in style and aesthetics, aiming to provide a higher quality user experience. This transition is seen as a core component of the company's long-term strategy.

The far-reaching impact of China's anti-monopoly policy on the automotive industry was discussed, emphasizing the importance of healthy competition and technological innovation. Companies actively respond to the policy by continuously innovating and optimizing products, striving to build a healthier industry ecosystem while improving supply chain relationships to ensure that partners and suppliers benefit from it and achieve long-term development.

Discussed the chip shortage issue facing the G SUV, plans to deploy a specific cockpit SOC by the end of October to address this issue, and is expected to launch the VGA and VVB models later. Currently, the G7 is unaffected and is planning to resume normal monthly production.

The conversation discussed the improvement in the profitability of the vehicle costs, pointing out that the profit margin in the second quarter has exceeded market expectations. Emphasis was placed on long-term strategies to enhance competitiveness and scale, with the goal of achieving a high profit margin in the fourth quarter and ensuring a balanced profit and loss for the whole year.

At the end of the meeting, the company thanked the participants and invited those with further questions to contact the Investor Relations department. They provided the official website and financial communication channels as follow-up contact methods, formally ending the conference call.
要点回答
Q:What were the key financial and operational results for the second quarter of 2025?
A:In the second quarter of 2025, the company achieved record high performance across core business and financial metrics including deliveries, revenue, gross profit margin, and cash on hand. They delivered 103,181 units, a 242% year-over-year increase. The Model 03 Max was a bestseller, accounting for over 80% of total sales. Despite price competition, the vehicle growth margin increased 3.8 percentage points to 14.3%, marking the eighth consecutive quarter of improvement and raising the company's overall gross margin to 17.3%. Net losses narrowed, free cash flow exceeded RMB 2 billion, and total cash on hand at the end of the quarter was RMB 47.5 billion.
Q:What is the importance of the G7 launch and its features?
A:The G7 launch is significant as it features the company's first model with an in-house developed Turing AI SOC. It has rapidly become the top among its competitors, with the Autopilot making up over 50% of sales. The Turing Super Experience marks a new phase in high-level automation in the industry. The quantum super electric models will begin mass production in Q4, allowing the company to fully upgrade to a new generation platform with intelligence and a new vehicle dual energy system by 2020. This platform includes vision-based advanced AI models, the Turing AI SOC, ultra-charging battery cells, and the Kunm super electric system. These innovations will provide a generational lead, improve modularity, supply chain management, and scalability during the product cycle, and boost sales growth in the next few years.
Q:What are the company's strategic plans for the coming years?
A:The company's strategic plans include focusing on technology leadership, building organizational strength, expanding commercialization, and globalization. Specifically, they aim to develop AI capabilities in the physical world across all domains, attract and retain talent, implement world-class management practices and automated tools, and optimize management, R&D, and collaboration to maximize the organizational compounding effect. The company also plans to develop commercially successful products, establish a strong brand, reduce costs, and increase profitability. Additionally, they will continue their globalization approach by integrating global market needs into product planning and attracting international users with superior technology and quality.
Q:What is the anticipated performance of the new XCOM P7?
A:The new XCOM P7, a premium intelligent sports sedan in the RMB 300,000 price range, is expected to set market trends with its distinctive style, thrilling performance, and leading AI technology. Aimed at younger consumers, it features a unique design approach for all models and is expected to become one of the top three best-selling pure electric sedans in the sub-300,000 RMB segment. The company anticipates monthly sales to surpass 40,000 units starting in September.
Q:What are the upcoming plans for electric vehicle introductions in Q4 and beyond?
A:In Q4, the company plans to introduce the X9, a top-range super electric vehicle with a pure electric range of over 450 km and a combined range exceeding 1500 km, leading its category in range. The company's future plans include launching several more super electric models, each offering top-tier pure electric range and 5C ultra-fast charging capabilities that exceed those of comparable models on the market.
Q:What is the projected performance of the Turing SOC powered VLA compared to industry mainstream urban ADAS solutions?
A:By over Edx, the Turing SOC powered VLA is expected to outperform industry mainstream urban ADAS solutions.
Q:What advancements have been made with the latest humanoid robots and what is the timetable for mass production?
A:The latest humanoid robots have made promising advancements with the Turing SOC, and mass production is expected to start in the second half of 2026.
Q:What is the significance of the new AI chip introduced by AVM motion?
A:AVM motion has introduced the industry's first AI chip dedicated to foundation models for smart cabins, providing over 12 times the effective computing power of the leading cabin processors.
Q:What are the latest achievements of the overseas business for AVM motion?
A:In the first half of 2025, AVM motion's overseas business showed strong growth, with deliveries exceeding 18,000 units, an over 200% year-over-year increase. The company is now the best-selling Chinese new energy vehicle start-up brand in 10 markets and leads sales of mid to high-end Chinese BEVs across Europe.
Q:What is the forecast for Q3 deliveries and revenue, and what new product cycle will be introduced starting in Q4?
A:Q3 deliveries are forecast to be between 113,000 to 118,000 units, with revenue projected to reach between RMB 19.6 billion and 21 billion, representing year-over-year increases of 94% to 107.9%. Starting in Q4, AVM motion will introduce the one vehicle dual energy strong product cycle complemented by Turing AI-driven smart driving solutions.
Q:What financial results were reported for the second quarter of 2025?
A:For the second quarter of 2025, total revenues were 18.27 billion, an increase of 125.3% year over year and 15.6% quarter over quarter. Revenues from vehicle sales increased by 140% year over year and 10% quarter over quarter. Gross margin was 14 for the second quarter compared to 13 for the same period and 10.5% for the first quarter. Loss from operations was 0.48 billion compared to 1.28 billion year over year and 1.04 billion quarter over quarter.
Q:What strategies are in place to increase the premium of the company's products?
A:To increase the premium of the company's products, strategies include differentiating the product layout, utilizing technology to increase premium, employing emotional branding to enhance perception, leveraging the brand's reputation for aesthetics, and focusing on developing a global brand identity. The company plans to significantly boost its brand's global presence in the years 2026 and 2027, which is expected to lead to an increase in the ASP, gross profit, and net profit.
Q:How does the company plan to demonstrate its smart driving technology advantage and when can we expect the ultra trim versions to be actively differentiated from competitors?
A:The company believes in the equal capability of its smart driving software as compared to other players in the market, supported by computing power, plus Lidar, and sufficient data. They emphasize that these factors will provide better results and validate the industry's belief in the importance of computing power, data, and model scaling. Currently, the company's total computing power is 2250 Tops, significantly higher than competitors' 100 to 700 Tops. In terms of frame rate, the company operates at twice the speed of competitors, showcasing better control of motion. The company aims to ensure a gap with competitors, with a significant improvement expected by the end of the year, and by next year, they anticipate a substantial lead, especially with the launch of their ultra trim versions and the pilot running of their robot taxis, which will feature L4 autonomy.
Q:What is the future vision for the revenue potential from the cooperation with Volkswagen?
A:The future vision for revenue from cooperation with Volkswagen includes expanding the current collaboration on electrical and electronic architecture from the battery electric vehicle in China to the Volkswagen brand in China, which includes both the electric vehicle and plug-in hybrid electric vehicle segments. The revenue potential is expected to grow as Volkswagen's ID and QV vehicles are set to start serial production (SOP). This will create a new recurring revenue stream in addition to the previous two streams. Revenue from past collaborations has been relatively stable, and there is potential growth in revenue for the second half of the year. The revenue will commence from the new collaboration once Volkswagen's vehicles enter the market and commence production.
Q:Will the company launch a 2 B version of its vehicles to differentiate from the consumer version and provide level 4 functionality via OTA next year?
A:The question raised concerns about the company's plans for a 2 B version of its vehicles to differentiate from the consumer version and whether it would be able to provide level 4 function via over-the-air (OTA) update next year. However, the provided text does not offer a direct answer to these specific questions; instead, it addresses the company's strategies and product developments but does not specify whether a 2 B version will be launched or the exact timeline for implementing level 4 functionality via OTA.
Q:What are the two types of vehicles expected in the future according to the speaker?
A:According to the speaker, in the future there will be two types of vehicles: L4 enabled vehicles with people driving them, and L4 capable vehicles without people driving them.
Q:What is the speaker's company's position on expensive vehicles in the market?
A:The speaker's company is positioned as a leader in the market where they must produce vehicles with no map, non-HD map model, meaning that they do not need Lidar to scan the whole map or the city. Additionally, they do not require software redundancy or cloud takeover management.
Q:How do the speaker's future products differ from the ROTA C model?
A:The future products of the speaker's company and the ROTA C model would be of the same source, but they will have different functionalities. For instance, the speaker's vehicles will have functions such as stopping when passengers wave their hands, which the ROTA C model will not have when there is a passenger on the street doing the same.
Q:Can you share more about the reason behind the strong order performance of the P7 and how it is forecasted?
A:The strong order performance of the P7 is attributed to exceeding expectations in terms of attention and interest received from end of last year to earlier this year. Pre-sale orders have surpassed all historical data sales for other car series. The P7 has attracted a high percentage of male consumers and is the youngest demographic in terms of age brackets. The car is described as aesthetically pleasing and strong, receiving positive feedback from users and media. The aim is to become one of the top three in pure battery electric vehicles in the 200,000 to 300,000 price range.
Q:How does the speaker's company plan to resolve issues related to regulations and technology iterations for vehicle sales?
A:The speaker's company, as an OEM, is focused on resolving issues related to regulations and technology iterations to sell vehicles to customers and enable them to drive such cars. They acknowledge that once these hurdles are crossed, and vehicles can be purchased by customers, the potential for growth is significant. Additionally, the robotic system's operation within a certain region is seen as a possibility, but global robot taxi rollout is not anticipated at this stage.
Q:Is management still keeping the $8.5 billion annual guidance for RD expenses?
A:Yes, management is still keeping the $8.5 billion annual guidance for RD expenses.
Q:Should we expect sales and marketing expenses to be similar to the second quarter, excluding channel fees?
A:Yes, we should expect sales and marketing expenses to be quite similar to the second quarter, excluding channel fees.
Q:How has the investment in AI technology been an area of focus for the company?
A:The company has been expanding its investment in AI technology to bring AI capabilities from the digital world to the physical world. This includes autonomous driving, robotics, and enhanced engineering workforce. Additionally, there has been a focus on cloud-based computation power.
Q:What is the impact of increased product launches on sales expenses?
A:The increased product launches have led to higher sales expenses, with more significant launches expected in the third quarter requiring higher marketing and advertising expenses. The company will continue to invest in marketing and advertising to support product launches in the second half.
Q:Does the new P7's design shift indicate a prioritization of design in the company's product strategy?
A:Yes, the new P7's design shift signals a shift in the company's product strategy towards prioritizing design. The company plans to focus on ensuring no shortcomings in its products and enhancing styles and aesthetics in addition to its technological focus.
Q:What are the company's efforts in terms of design and aesthetics for its vehicles?
A:The company is dedicating more resources to design and aesthetics, with two buildings in Shanghai and one in Guangzhou focused on vehicle design. The company is aiming to provide users with better physical products and overall user experience.
Q:How will the company adjust its business operations in response to the new anti-dilution policy and what specific impact will it have on operations?
A:The company has noticed recent policy announcements around anti-dilution measures, which are aimed at improving the Chinese economy. The company believes that this is a positive development in the long run and that it aligns with its strategy of focusing on innovation and quality. The company plans to continue focusing on full-stack innovation and building innovative, high-quality products that appeal broadly.
Q:When can the issue with the G7 chip be resolved, and what is the expected impact on the company's monthly volume assumption?
A:The specific touring SOC for infotainment will be deployed in late October, and the impact on the company's monthly volume assumption once normalized will be resolved by then.
Q:Can the third-quarter vehicle cost margin achieve the high teens, given the second-quarter vehicle cost margin was higher than market expectations?
A:The company aims to focus on profitability for the brand new P7 and the x.e. super electric version, targeting high teens profitability in the fourth quarter. This aligns with the company's goal to achieve overall profitability in the fourth quarter and solidify the target of breakeven by then.

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