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IBM (IBM.US) 2025年第二季度业绩电话会
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IBM reported strong Q2 2024 earnings with solid revenue growth, profitability, and cash flow. Key segments like software, infrastructure, and consulting showed robust performance, with Red Hat's bookings growing over 20%. The company is optimistic about long-term growth, driven by AI integration and a focus on hybrid cloud solutions, despite macroeconomic challenges. IBM raised its full-year free cash flow expectations due to its strong first-half performance.
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IBM second quarter financial report conference in 2024.
Olympia McNaney, Global Head of Investor Relations at IBM, presided over the second quarter 2024 earnings conference, which was attended by IBM's Chairman and CEO Arvind Krishna and CFO Jim Kavanaugh. The meeting discussed the company's performance, mentioned the use of non-GAAP financial metrics, and cautioned about forward-looking statements that could potentially impact actual results. The recording and materials from the meeting will be made available to investors in the future.
IBM's second quarter performance was strong, benefiting from technological innovation and diversified business.
IBM's performance in the second quarter exceeded expectations, with revenue reaching $15.8 billion, operating pre-tax income of $2.8 billion, and diluted earnings per share of $2.43. Revenue grew by 4% year-on-year, mainly driven by strong growth in software and infrastructure. IBM's investment in innovation strategy in software, infrastructure, consulting, and other areas has achieved significant results, driving organic growth. At the same time, the company continues to invest in AI and hybrid cloud areas, improving productivity and profitability, demonstrating its solid performance in the technology spending environment.
Second Quarter Software Business Growth and Strategic Analysis at IBM
In the second quarter, IBM's software business performed strongly, driven by factors such as the growth of Red Hat, the combination of innovation and recurring revenue, transaction processing, and acquisition strategy. Red Hat's annual bookings grew by over 20%, with OpenShift's annual bookings growing by over 40%, reflecting high demand for hybrid cloud solutions. IBM's subscription-based business accounted for 80% of annual software revenue and showed double-digit growth. Transaction processing revenue grew by 13%, demonstrating innovation and value in key hardware stacks such as IBM Z, Power, and storage. Additionally, IBM's M&A strategy, such as acquiring Aptio and StreamSets, contributed significantly to annual bookings and recurring revenue growth. In terms of software profits, both gross margin and segment profit saw significant improvements, reflecting operational leverage from revenue scale and structure. In consulting services, IBM maintained stable demand for large projects, particularly in AI and analytics projects aimed at improving productivity, despite customers exercising caution in small project spending. This complements the software business.
IBM's leadership role in the transformation of artificial intelligence technology and business growth.
With its unique advantages in technology and consulting, IBM is playing a leading role in the transformation of artificial intelligence technology, helping clients design and expand AI solutions, while also driving new ways of working to improve productivity and delivery efficiency. This transformation has become a catalyst for the growth of the company's business, not only driving revenue growth in business and data transformation, but also promoting revenue growth in infrastructure, especially with significant performance in the IBM Z platform and distributed infrastructure. IBM is becoming a strategic partner in AI technology applications for many companies such as WPP and Elevons Health. Despite facing challenges such as rising labor costs and currency fluctuations, IBM has achieved margin expansion through efficiency improvement and pricing strategies.
IBM's Performance Outlook for 2024 and Review of Business in the First Half of the Year.
IBM is optimistic about its performance in 2024, with revenue growth in the first half of the year reflecting the effectiveness of the company's organic growth and acquisition strategies, as well as a strong business foundation. Full-year revenue is expected to maintain mid-single-digit growth, with free cash flow expectations raised to over $12 billion, primarily driven by growth in adjusted EBITDA. The software sector is performing well, with full-year growth expected to increase to high single digits, while the consulting sector is facing low single-digit growth. The infrastructure sector is expected to show neutral performance for the year. Despite expectations of a strong US dollar impacting full-year revenue growth by 100 to 200 basis points, IBM remains confident in its full-year revenue growth, operating profit expansion, and free cash flow growth.
Bank Meeting Begins: Q&A Session and Conference Attendance Instructions.
Before the meeting started, the host reminded attendees to pay attention to the additional information at the end of the presentation and to avoid asking multiple questions at once. Subsequently, the meeting entered the Q&A session, with the first question coming from Bank of America. Attendees who wish to ask questions need to follow the instructions on the telephone keypad.
The long-term growth strategy and outlook of IBM's transaction processing business.
IBM is confident in the long-term growth model of its transaction processing business, despite initially setting it for low single-digit growth, it has achieved on average mid-single-digit or better growth in recent years. This shift has been facilitated by continued investment and optimization of the mainframe platform, resulting in over 80% of customers increasing their MIPS (Millions of Instructions Per Second) usage on the mainframe. IBM has transitioned this business from declining mid-single-digit growth to low single-digit growth and expects to achieve mid-single-digit growth by 2024. To continue driving growth, IBM is introducing new capabilities such as Watson X Code Assistant for Z to further enhance platform value and customer satisfaction. Looking ahead to 2025, IBM will discuss its growth expectations in detail under future guidance.
The impact and future prospects of AI investment on consulting services.
The discussion is focused on the impact of AI investment on the consulting services industry. Currently, most AI demand is seen as a transfer within the consulting business rather than a completely new incremental market. Although recent AI-related business contracts have seen significant growth, this growth is seen as a replacement for traditional consulting business rather than a supplement. However, as businesses shift from exploring AI to scaling its application, it is expected that AI investments will gradually become incremental contributions to consulting services rather than simply internal transfers. In addition, the proactive deployment of companies in AI technologies such as the Watson X platform and open innovation strategies demonstrates confidence in the future growth of the AI market.
IBM's consulting business strategic positioning and growth in digital transformation 2.0.
IBM's consulting business plays a key role in the current early cycle, aiming to become the preferred strategic partner for enterprise digital transformation 2.0. As businesses seek strategic suppliers and partners to drive large-scale enterprise transformation projects, IBM's consulting business has shown strong growth, especially in the area of business transformation services, such as operational model transformation in human resources, finance, and supply chain. In addition, IBM's software business has also performed well, with subscriptions and SaaS models dominating, contributing approximately one percentage point to the company's overall growth.
Discussion on the growth of consulting businesses and the impact of macroeconomic factors.
Darian Anni inquired about the low single-digit growth of consulting business in 2024, specifically whether the non-AI consulting part, excluding M&A contributions and AI business revenue, may perform worse in the second half of the year. The respondent believed that current macroeconomic uncertainty, such as geopolitical tensions and ongoing inflation, had impacted client decision-making, leading to temporary weakness in consulting business. However, they were optimistic about the medium to long-term business growth, believing that these short-term challenges will gradually ease in the coming months, and consulting business is expected to once again become a growth driver.
IBM consulting business growth strategy and market performance
IBM predicted 90 days ago that the annual growth of its consulting business would remain in the mid single digits, with large-scale business transformation becoming a major growth driver. In the past quarter, IBM has achieved better-than-expected results in the field of artificial intelligence (AI), and strategic partnerships and Red Hat's business have continued to grow. Despite short-term spending priorities and certain market uncertainties affecting current business performance, IBM has made good progress on its path to becoming the preferred provider, especially in the general AI field, which will have a positive multiplier effect on future revenue growth.
Discussion of IBM Company's M&A Strategy and Market Valuation.
IBM emphasizes that its merger and acquisition (M&A) strategy remains unchanged, focusing on investment in the hybrid cloud and artificial intelligence fields, with the requirement that acquisitions bring synergies and increase free cash flow. Regarding current market valuations, IBM believes that although valuations are high, they are still within a reasonable range. Public market valuations fluctuate greatly, while private market valuations are relatively stable but also with lower risk. IBM states that it will continue to use M&A as part of its growth strategy and maintain a strong financial position to support this goal, but also emphasizes the need to digest acquired companies at an appropriate pace and speed.
Discussion on IBM's financial performance, strategic transactions, and revenue expectations for Hashicorp.
In the discussion, IBM expressed satisfaction with its current financial performance, particularly the growth in free cash flow and exceeding EBITDA, which gave them confidence to raise their financial guidance. At the same time, the company mentioned the strategic deal with Palo Alto Networks and its impact on the cost structure, as well as expectations for future revenue contributions from Hashicorp and possible per-share earnings dilution.
In-depth discussion on merger and acquisition strategies and financial benefits.
The discussion focused on the strategic fit of mergers and acquisitions, emphasizing the synergistic effects of the target platform in terms of product technology and market promotion, as well as its attractive financial performance, including high revenue growth, adjusted EBITDA, and increased free cash flow. The speakers also analyzed in detail the potential dilution effects, cost savings, and operational synergies of the M&A transaction, and how these factors would affect the overall revenue growth, operating leverage, and free cash flow growth of the company, demonstrating a deep understanding of M&A operations and long-term growth plans.
Red Hat business growth dynamics and future prospects
In the past few quarters, despite the healthy growth of Red Hat's business bookings, staying between 15% and 20%, recent growth has slowed down by 100 basis points. Red Hat's business model is a pure consumption model, where customers pay on demand, and bookings reflect future demand. About half of annual revenue can be predicted based on the previous year's bookings, and as the quarters progress, this proportion gradually increases from 50% to 80%. Currently, based on booking conditions, it is expected that Red Hat's business growth will be in the low double digits, with signs of demand continuing into the current quarter and the next six months. In terms of products, demand for Openshift, Linux, and Ansible is growing significantly, especially Openshift in the areas of containerization and virtualization, as well as Linux and Ansible showing growth in the low double digits, bringing positive signals to the business. In addition, the open source AI projects Red AI and Openshift AI that Red Hat is developing are expected to contribute to business growth in the coming years.
IBM discusses open-source AI models and developer strategies.
IBM explained in detail the reasons for its decision to open source its AI models and code library, primarily based on technical and economic considerations, as well as the desire to attract more developers to participate through open source code, enhance market adaptability, and improve the customization capabilities for enterprise customers. In addition, IBM highlighted its early progress in the generative AI field and looks forward to future performance in revenue growth and cash generation.
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Q:What are the main highlights of IBM's second quarter 2024 earnings presentation?
A:The main highlights of IBM's second quarter 2024 earnings presentation include strong revenue growth, profitability, and cash flow generation, solid performance in software and infrastructure exceeding model expectations, and the continued success of the hybrid cloud and AI strategy. The company also noted that technology spending remains robust, and while factors like interest rates and inflation impacted decision making in consulting, they remain confident in the positive macro outlook for technology spending.
Q:What impact did Watson X and the generative AI strategy have on IBM's business?
A:Watson X and the generative AI strategy have infused AI across IBM's business, from tools for managing hybrid cloud environments to platform products and infrastructure and consulting. This AI innovation is evident in all of IBM's segments, contributing to the company's success and driving strong organic growth.
Q:What were the revenue, operating income, and earnings per share figures for the second quarter?
A:For the second quarter, IBM delivered $15.8 billion in revenue, $2.8 billion of operating pretax income, and $2.43 operating diluted earnings per share. The revenue growth was 4% at constant currency, with 17% growth in operating pre-tax income and 11% growth in operating diluted earnings per share.
Q:How did IBM's investments in AI and hybrid cloud contribute to the company's financial performance?
A:Investments in AI and hybrid cloud, with a 9% increase in research and development spending in the first half, contributed to innovation and strong financial performance. These investments were seen as key to driving productivity and enabling a higher value workforce, which in turn supported continued investment in innovation and the company's organic growth profile.
Q:What are the main drivers of IBM's strong free cash flow generation?
A:The main drivers of IBM's strong free cash flow generation were the year-over-year increase in Adjusted EBITDA, up more than $550 million, and timing of capital expenditures (CapEx). Additionally, the company returned $3.1 billion to shareholders in the form of dividends, and its liquidity position remained solid with a balance of cash and a flat debt balance compared to the end of 2023.
Q:What was the performance and growth in IBM's software revenue?
A:IBM's software revenue growth accelerated to 8% in the quarter. It was driven by both hybrid platform and solutions and transaction processing, as clients leveraged AI and hybrid cloud platforms. The performance reflects organic investments and acquisitions, with Red Hat growth, the combination of innovation, recurring revenue, and transaction processing contributing to the revenue growth.
Q:What are the specific areas that drove IBM's software revenue growth?
A:Specific areas that drove IBM's software revenue growth include Red Hat with its annual bookings growth of over 20%, Openshift with over 40% growth, and Rel and Ansible with double-digit growth. These results reflect the demand for hybrid cloud solutions, including app modernization, management automation, generative AI, and virtualization.
Q:How did the recent acquisitions impact revenue performance?
A:Recent acquisitions have benefited revenue performance by accelerating annual bookings and driving an uptick in Arr growth.
Q:What is the growth rate of consulting revenue and what are the contributing factors?
A:Consulting revenue grew ed consistent with last quarter and largely reflected organic growth, driven by solid demand for large engagements across finance and supply chain transformation, cloud modernization, and application development.
Q:What does the Book of Business in Generative AI inception represent?
A:The Book of Business in Generative AI inception to date is greater than $2 billion, with about three quarters of it representing consulting signings and strong quarter-over-quarter momentum.
Q:How is IBM positioned to help clients navigate the technology transition to generative AI?
A:IBM's unique combination of technology and consulting expertise positions it to help clients navigate this technology transition, similar to previous shifts like the advent of the internet and cloud computing.
Q:What is the potential for value delivery in relation to generative AI?
A:The potential for value delivery in relation to generative AI is twofold: partnering with clients to design and scale AI solutions and developing new ways of working to drive productivity and improve delivery.
Q:What were the results in business transformation revenue and technology consulting revenue?
A:Business transformation revenue grew 6%, led by finance and supply chain transformations, with technology consulting revenue up 1% driven by application modernization services and improved cloud-based application management offerings.
Q:What is the segment profit margin expansion in infrastructure revenue?
A:The segment profit margin in infrastructure revenue expanded significantly, up to the high teens, while segment profit margin was modestly down, reflecting labor inflation and currency impacts.
Q:How did the Z 16 cycle perform and what are its benefits to clients?
A:The Z 16 cycle has performed well, outperforming prior cycles with IBM Z revenue up 8%. Clients benefit from increased workloads due to rapid business expansion, complex regulatory environments, and cybersecurity threats, with more Z capacity (MIPS) and benefits such as cloud native development, embedded AI at scale, quantum-safe security, energy efficiency, and strong reliability and scalability.
Q:What is the company's view on full-year 2024 revenue growth and adjusted EBITDA?
A:The company expects full-year 2024 constant currency revenue growth to be in line with their mid-single-digit model, with an expectation of greater than $12 billion driven by growth in Adjusted EBITDA and a modest contribution from the Palo Alto Qradar transaction.
Q:What impact will the Palo Alto Qradar transaction have on the company's performance?
A:The impact of the Palo Alto Qradar transaction on the company's performance will result in a modest contribution to growth and a related structural action to address stranded costs, with an expected close by the end of the third quarter.
Q:How does the company expect the net income skew in the third quarter and what is the expected impact of currency strengthening?
A:The company expects net income skew in the third quarter to remain a couple points ahead of the prior year, driven by strong business performance. They also expect a 100 to 200 basis point impact to revenue growth for the year due to currency strengthening.
Q:What is the projected growth trajectory for the company's transaction processing in 2024 and 2025?
A:The projected growth trajectory for the company's transaction processing in 2024 and 2025 is expected to be in the low single digits. This projection is based on solid plant renewals, strong large deal performance, and the general strength over the last three programs of their mainframe cycle, which has capitalized on the enduring value of their platform.
Q:What are the reasons for the change in the company's mid-term model to a growth vector?
A:The change in the company's mid-term model to a growth vector reflects the firm's overall strong performance and the conversion of the model into a contributor to growth. The model is now focused on a low single-digit growth rate, driven by the strength of the mainframe platform and capitalizing on recent programs that have seen a significant increase in MIPS, with over 80% of clients growing MIPS on the mainframe.
Q:How has the company's approach to AI consulting changed, and what is the expected future impact?
A:The company's approach to AI consulting has shifted, with an increased focus on AI investments and a transition from some traditional consulting areas. While there is spend pressure in consulting, there is a growing demand for AI that is perceived as a shift from other areas of consulting rather than cannibalistic. The company expects that as people move from early experimentation to scaling and realizing the full benefits of generative AI, these investments in AI will become accretive and additive to the consulting business.
Q:What is the significance of the company's AI book of business growth and its sub-segments?
A:The significant growth in the company's AI book of business, which was up about a billion dollars sequentially, is driven by strong performance in both technology services, particularly with the Watson X platform, and an open innovation strategy around Rel AI and other AI models. The growth is crucial as it signifies a strategic shift in client spending towards AI and digital transformation. Consulting sub-segments such as business transformation services have seen a doubling and acceleration in growth, reflecting a reprioritization of spending by clients and a strategic move for IBM Consulting in the early stages of a cycle.
Q:How is the company's software book of business performing and why is it important?
A:The company's software book of business is performing well, with a growth of about a point of growth and a value of half a billion dollars in the first 12 months. The book of business is weighted toward subscription SaaS, contributing two-thirds of its value, and is one of the factors that drove the company to raise its software revenue outlook for the year. This performance is important as it signifies a fundamental shift in the company's software business model towards recurring revenue streams.
Q:What are the expectations for the consulting business growth in H2 versus H1, and what factors are contributing to the current weakness?
A:The expectation is that the consulting business could possibly get worse in H2 compared to H1 due to various factors. These include geopolitical uncertainty, particularly the war in Europe and the Middle East, and higher-than-anticipated inflation leading to increased interest rates. The impact of these factors on client bottom lines, along with wage inflation, contributes to the current weakness in consulting. The duration of this weakness is not clearly defined, but it is considered temporary, and the company is optimistic about a medium to long-term rebound.
Q:How does the company view the future of the consulting business despite current challenges?
A:The company believes there are no secular macro trends指向长期的弱点, and the challenges faced in consulting are expected to be temporary. They are optimistic about the medium and long-term prospects for the consulting business, as they see this period as a tailwind that will become more pronounced over time.
Q:What are the recent trends and current status of the company's key initiatives in the consulting business?
A:Recent trends in the company's consulting business include positive momentum in gen AI, strategic partnerships with hyperscalers and Red Hat growth profiles, and the continuing effect of future acquisitions aligned with their M&A criteria and portfolio synergies. The company is on track with these initiatives, with some exceeding expectations, such as gen AI, which is doubling in the consulting business' book of business.
Q:What is the strategy for M&A and how does the company assess potential acquisitions?
A:The company's M&A strategy remains focused and disciplined, targeting investments in hybrid cloud and artificial intelligence areas. They expect synergy from acquisitions, with accretive effects on free cash flow within two years. Valuations for potential acquisitions are assessed as reasonable but not outrageous compared to 18 months ago. The company looks at different dynamics in both public and private markets, considering factors like revenue multiples, growth profiles, and risk. They are pleased with recent acquisitions like StreamSets and WebMethods and are cautious about the timing of large public market deals, preferring to focus on the right pace and integration into their global distribution engine.
Q:Is the progress in free cash flow sustainable for the year and will it be able to accommodate the 25 cents of upside on the EPS line?
A:The company is very pleased with the start of the year, showing a strong performance in free cash flow and an overachievement in adjusted EBITDA, which is expected to flow through to the guide and free cash flow. While the company does not guide on EPS, the strong results of the 25 cents of EPS are anticipated to be flowed through to adjusted EBITDA and further into free cash flow. The guidance is driven by the strength of the fundamentals of the business.
Q:What is the anticipated impact of the deal with HashiCorp on revenue and earnings, and what further views are available on the net effect?
A:The revenue contribution from HashiCorp is expected to be around $750 million next year, with a loss of about 30 cents in interest income. The net effect of the deal is not detailed in the transcript; however, the company does expect to close the Palo Alto transaction in the third quarter, which will generate a gain and lead to structural actions to offset the gain to address stranded costs while accelerating productivity initiatives.
Q:Does the company anticipate closing the Palo Alto transaction in the third quarter and what will be the effects on earnings and productivity?
A:Yes, the company expects to close the Palo Alto transaction in the third quarter concerning certain assets of its QRadar business, which will generate a gain. The company plans to take structural actions to offset this gain to address stranded costs and to accelerate productivity initiatives.
Q:What is the strategic rationale behind the acquisition of HashiCorp and what are the expected financial benefits?
A:The strategic rationale for the acquisition of HashiCorp includes a compelling strategic fit with end-to-end leadership in a hybrid platform, synergistic value on product technology and go-to-market, and an attractive financial profile. The company expects higher revenue growth, adjusted EBITDA accretivity, and free cash flow accretivity. There are also potential significant near-term cost and operating synergies expected to drive about a 30% to 40% free cash flow margin business over a handful of years.
Q:What is the company's model for growth and how does it plan to manage the impact of the acquisition on earnings and operations?
A:The company's model for growth involves mid single-digit revenue growth, operating leverage, and growing free cash flow quicker than revenue. They plan to manage the impact of the acquisition by continuing to grow revenue, operating leverage, and free cash flow, diversifying their business model, and staying ahead of their EBITDA and free cash flow guidance. The company also mentioned using many levers to deal with overall margins, indicating a proactive approach to managing the effects of the acquisition.
Q:What has been the recent performance and expectations for the Red Hat business?
A:The Red Hat business has shown healthy bookings growth numbers ranging from 15% to 20% over the last few quarters. However, growth decelerated by about 100 basis points this quarter. The recent performance is attributed to clients creating demand, which leads to bookings (not yet revenue), a signal of further demand, and pre-committed revenue for the company. The company has observed double-digit demand growth over the past year, which is expected to translate into low, low double-digit growth going forward, as evidenced by a revenue performance obligation (CRP) sitting around mid-teens for the second half of the year. Additionally, the company is excited about underlying product capabilities, such as OpenShift, which plays into containerization and virtualization, and both OpenShift and Linux demand grew again in the most recent quarter.
Q:What is the reasoning behind opening up the Granite models and their code base?
A:The decision to open up the Granite models and their code base is attributed to the belief that it is technically and economically infeasible for extremely large models to dominate the market share. By making the models and code base available, the company aims to offer a more cost-effective solution, reducing the need for expensive cloud services and allowing for the utilization of their models on premise.
Q:What are the economic implications of running large models on public clouds?
A:Running extremely large models on public clouds is economically infeasible due to high costs associated with increased compute, network, storage, and memory requirements. As an example, a client running several billion transactions daily would face a daily bill of a couple of hundred million dollars on a large public cloud, which can be reduced to 10 to 20 million dollars a day using Red Hat technologies on premise.
Q:How do the smaller models offered by the company compare to the extremely large models?
A:The smaller models offered by the company are either one-tenth or less than the size of extremely large models but are capable of performing comparably well on the leaderboards. These models are tailored for specific tasks like summarizing emails or enhancing the productivity of programmers working with programming languages, offering a more targeted alternative to the comprehensive capabilities of large models.
Q:Why is open-sourcing the models under the Apache license beneficial for clients?
A:Open-sourcing the models under the Apache license allows clients to refine the models by adding their unique language or data without having to give it back to the public domain. This gives clients the freedom to retain their proprietary information while benefiting from the underlying open model, encouraging model efficacy improvement through private data integration.
Q:How does this open-source strategy expand the market reach for the company?
A:By making the machinery available in Red Hat Linux through an open-source model, the company can tap into a massive market of developers who can experiment with models of the low tens of billions of parameters. This not only provides flexibility and freedom to these developers but also opens up opportunities for them to contribute back to the community or keep their modifications for enterprise use, thereby expanding the market reach into the millions of developers who utilize Linux on their machines.
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