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美国制商银行 (MTB.US) 2025年第二季度业绩电话会
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M&T Bank reported strong Q2 2025 earnings with diluted GAAP EPS at $4.24, up from $3.32, and net income at $116 million. Key highlights include significant share repurchases, a focus on maintaining a CET1 ratio of 10.75% to 11%, diversified loan portfolio growth, and enhanced fee income. The bank is optimistic about future loan growth, particularly in commercial and industrial segments, and emphasizes careful expense management and strategic investments.
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Minutes of M&T Bank's 2025 Second Quarter Performance Conference Call
In the performance conference call for the second quarter of 2025 at M&T Bank, the bank's senior management detailed the performance for the quarter, strategic priorities, community investments, and industry recognition. The meeting emphasized the bank's commitment to driving community development and shareholder value through initiatives such as the Small Business Accelerator Lab, community investments, and high-profile sponsorships. Additionally, significant achievements in commercial banking and corporate trust were mentioned, with expressions of gratitude towards the team.
Bank's second quarter performance report and financial analysis.
This report detailed the bank's financial performance in the second quarter, including net income, earnings per share, asset quality, loan growth, and other aspects. The report highlighted the bank's success in reducing credit risk, improving asset quality, and controlling costs, while also pointing out growth in residential mortgage loans, consumer loans, and certain commercial loans. Additionally, the report analyzed the reasons for changes in net interest income and net interest margin, and discussed the changes in the loan portfolio, including the specific performance of commercial loans, real estate loans, and consumer loans.
Company's second quarter financial performance and business updates.
The company has recently implemented improvements in commercial credit and sales processes in order to better serve customers and support future growth. In the second quarter, the company performed strongly in investment securities and cash liquidity, with a total amount of 549 billion, accounting for 26% of total assets. Investment securities increased on average by 9 billion to 353 billion, but their yield decreased due to the premium amortization of certain securities. On the deposit side, total average deposits increased to 163.4 billion, with growth mainly coming from segments such as commercial, business banking, consumer mortgages, and corporate trust. Non-interest income, including categories such as mortgage, service fees, and trust income, all showed continued growth. In terms of expense control, non-interest expenses decreased, and efficiency ratios improved. These changes reflect the company's effective management of cost control and income growth.
Financial performance and future outlook of banks in the second quarter.
The bank's net interest income, non-interest income, and capital ratio performed steadily in the second quarter, despite facing economic uncertainty and policy risks. Net interest income is expected to be between $7 billion and $7.15 billion, while credit loss provisions and non-interest expenses are under control. The bank expects loan growth and deposit balances to remain stable for the full year, while anticipating a lower net charge-off rate than expected and a continued decrease in criticized loans. On the capital front, the bank plans to operate within a CET 1 ratio range of 10.75% to 11%, and will conduct share repurchases based on economic conditions and asset quality trends.
M&T Bank: Market Expansion and Capital Management Strategy
M&T Bank reiterates its four key strategic priorities, including expanding into new markets in New England and Long Island, optimizing resources, enhancing system resiliency and scalability, and strengthening risk management systems. The bank stresses its optimistic investment outlook, based on its long track record of credit performance and market growth, as well as its focus on shareholder returns and continuous dividend growth. In terms of loan dynamics, despite facing challenges, M&T Bank reported positive growth in its commercial real estate (CRE) loan pipeline, with growth expected by the end of the year. Regarding capital management, the bank is considering initiating stock buyback activities based on favorable stress test results, while also exploring appropriate levels of capital retention to balance capital adequacy and potential capital utilization needs.
Bank strategies in the face of market uncertainty and risk
It was mentioned in the conversation that there is a lot of uncertainty in the current market, including trade tariffs, worsening geopolitical conditions, high fiscal deficits, and soaring asset prices. While progress has been made in reducing critical loans and managing capital buffers, further efforts are still needed. The long-term goal is to reduce pressure capital buffers to 2.5%, and it is considered appropriate to set the operating range between Ed and 1075 in the current risk environment.
Discussion on the business growth and competitive strategy of M&T Bank
During the conversation, the representative from M&T Bank explained in detail the significant growth of its trust business, attributing it to increased investment in the European market and growing demand for customer support. They also mentioned the positive development in mortgage services and commercial mortgage business. Furthermore, when asked about the need to compete with larger banks by expanding its scale, M&T Bank stated that its current business model and strategic focus on serving the community have been very successful. They do not aim to become the largest bank, but instead focus on simplicity and low complexity to maintain efficient operations and sustainable growth.
Bank leaders discuss cost control and potential acquisition plans.
During the discussion, the leadership team of the bank emphasized the importance of cost control, pointing out that despite the loan growth not meeting expectations, improvements in expenses have been achieved through optimizing the management of major projects, such as the GL project, to ensure a positive operational leverage effect. At the same time, they expressed an open attitude towards potential acquisitions, highlighting that the diversification of commercial real estate loans will not be a hindrance when looking for targets that match culture and credit views. They are confident in managing and reducing related risks through various strategies.
Banking Industry Analysis: Interest Rate Changes and Loan Growth Outlook
The discussion mainly focused on the outlook for banks' marginal income in the current interest rate environment, especially the expected growth of commercial loans and consumer loans. The discussion emphasized the impact of asset repricing, portfolio management, and business growth opportunities from acquisitions on bank revenue. It also pointed out that loan growth, especially in commercial loans, will be a key factor in determining whether interest rates can reach the expected targets. In addition, it mentioned the momentum of loan growth in specific markets such as Long Island and the eastern region, as well as the growth potential brought by acquiring new businesses and markets.
Consumer loan growth and discussion on deposit expectations
The discussion focused on the strong growth of consumer loans and the potential slowdown in the future, especially considering the rising prices of consumer goods and the impact of tariffs. At the same time, optimistic expectations for the RV and auto loan market were mentioned, as well as positive growth in HELOC and credit card businesses. In addition, growth expectations for average deposits were discussed, emphasizing the continued attraction of deposits with competitive rates and possibly reducing non-core funds.
Bank executives discuss capital buyback plans and M&A strategies.
Bank executives mentioned in their discussion the acceleration of the capital repurchase plan, indicating that they intend to maintain or accelerate the pace of buybacks in the remaining fiscal year. They also discussed the bank's interest and strategy regarding mergers and acquisitions (M&A), pointing out that they will consider M&A when they find suitable partners. Furthermore, executives also discussed adjustments to guidance for net interest income (NII), specifically mentioning the growth of commercial and consumer loans and the impact of uncertainty factors on the bank.
Analysis of Morgan Stanley's Capital Return Program and Cost of Capital
Discussed the company's priorities in the capital return plan, emphasizing the importance of increasing dividends and strategies for comparison with peers. At the same time, analyzed the negative impact of five basis points on the Net Interest Margin (NIM) in this quarter, explaining in detail the specific reasons for the increase in liability costs and the long-term effects of these costs.
Business Strategy and Market Outlook of M&T Bank
M&T Bank has expressed satisfaction with its current business portfolio, particularly the growth in C&I and consumer business, while also planning to stabilize and potentially increase the proportion of its Cre business. The bank mentioned that, despite possible acceleration in loan growth, they will continue to attract deposits at reasonable rates, manage the growth of loans and deposits, emphasize their stable strategy in the market, and focus on risk-adjusted returns.
M&T Bank discusses capital operation goals and deposit competition strategies.
M&T Bank discussed its capital operating goals, planning to maintain around 11%, emphasizing the progress in risk management and the role of rating agencies and regulators in setting goals. In addition, the bank also discussed how to enhance core deposit competitiveness by increasing operating accounts in the current economic environment, and mentioned the rise in deposit costs and expectations for deposit competition in different interest rate environments.
Deutsche Bank discusses credit asset quality and risk reserve issues.
In the conversation, the decreasing trend of criticized CNI and Cre loans was discussed, as well as how to compare them to historical levels, indicating efforts to reduce the size of these loans. Additionally, a detailed explanation was provided regarding the $20 million negative reserve, particularly in relation to business dealings with Fannie Mae, specific circumstances of different projects, expectations for future losses, and a long-term optimistic outlook on this business.
M&T Bank Second Quarter Financial Report Conference: Stablecoin Impact and Asset Sale Strategy
At the second quarter earnings conference of M&T Bank, discussions focused on the potential impact of stablecoins, the future of payment business and deposit collection, and how the bank can adapt to the rise of digital currencies. The meeting also covered net fee guidance, lower-than-expected fee cancellations, and strategies for selling commercial real estate loans, emphasizing the bank's cautious stance towards market uncertainties and trade risks, as well as its commitment to long-term business and customer relationship building.
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Q:What are the key achievements of M and T Bank highlighted in the second quarter 2025 earnings conference call?
A:Key achievements highlighted in the conference call include supporting entrepreneurs through the small business Accelerator labs, investing in New England and Long Island communities through the third and final round of the Amplify Fund, and announcing several high visibility sponsorships.
Q:What notable recognition did M and T Bank receive?
A:M and T Bank received notable recognition from its customers and the industry for the work done by teams in commercial business banking, corporate trust, and wealth management, which made these recognitions possible.
Q:What were the results of the recent stress test for M and T Bank?
A:The recent stress test resulted in a decrease in the SCV from 3.8% to 2.7%, reflecting the resiliency and strength of M and T Bank's earnings power and continued risk management efforts.
Q:How did fee income and expenses perform for M and T Bank in the second quarter?
A:Fee income, excluding security gains and losses and other notable items, grew 11% since the second quarter of 2024. Expenses remained well-controlled, reflected in a second quarter efficiency ratio of 55.2%.
Q:What was the diluted GAAP earnings per share for M and T Bank in the second quarter?
A:The diluted GAAP earnings per share for M and T Bank in the second quarter were 4 dollars 24 cents, up from 3 dollars 32 cents in the prior quarter.
Q:What were the return on assets (ROA) and return on tangible equity (ROTCE) for M and T Bank in the second quarter?
A:M and T Bank's return on assets (ROA) and return on tangible equity (ROTCE) for the second quarter were 1.37% and 10.39%, respectively.
Q:How did taxable equivalent net interest income and net interest margin change for M and T Bank?
A:Taxable equivalent net interest income for M and T Bank increased by 15 million or 1% from the linked quarter to 1.72 billion, while the net interest margin decreased by 4 basis points to 3.62%.
Q:What trends in loans and deposits did M and T Bank report in the second quarter?
A:M and T Bank reported that average loans and leases increased 0.6 billion to 135.4 billion. Consumer and residential mortgage loans grew, while C&I balances declined. Commercial loans were unchanged at 61 billion but with growth in certain specialty segments. Total commitments grew despite a decline in C&I loans. Residential mortgage loans increased 2% to 23.7 billion, and consumer loans grew 4% to 25.4 billion.
Q:What enhancements to commercial credit and sales processes were implemented by M and T Bank?
A:M and T Bank implemented enhancements to its commercial credit and sales processes to improve customer service through market cycles, responsiveness to customer needs, risk management, and future growth. The bank aimed to assimilate both employees and customers to this new process, entering the second half of the year in a strong position to support its growing pipeline.
Q:What was the percentage increase in average total deposits, and which segments contributed to this growth?
A:Average total deposits rose by 1% to $163.4 billion. The growth was across most segments, including commercial, business, banking, consumer mortgage, and corporate trust. However, average brokerage deposits declined by $0.3 billion to $10.5 billion, and average non-interest bearing deposits declined by $0.3 billion to $45.1 billion, primarily from lower trust demand deposits.
Q:How did non-interest income change, and what were the main contributors to this change?
A:Non-interest income was $683 million compared to $611 million in the linked quarter, marking a strength across many fee income categories. Key contributors to this increase include mortgage banking service charges, trust and other revenues. Mortgage banking revenues grew to $130 million from $118 million in the first quarter, driven by higher servicing fee income and the full quarter benefit of subservicing. Trust income increased by $5 million to $182 million, largely due to higher seasonal tax preparation fees. Other revenues from operations rose by $49 million to $191 million, reflecting notable items, higher loan syndication fees, and merchant and credit card revenue.
Q:What were the main components of non-interest expenses and how did they compare to the prior quarter?
A:Non-interest expenses for the quarter were $1.34 billion, a decrease of $79 million from the prior quarter. Salaries and benefits decreased by $74 million to $813 million, mostly reflecting the seasonal decline from the first quarter, partially offset by the full quarter impact of annual merit increases. Other non-compensation expenses changed modestly from the first quarter. The efficiency ratio decreased to 55.2% from 60.5% in the linked quarter.
Q:What was the quarterly net charge-off total and how did it affect nonaccrual loans and the nonaccrual ratio?
A:Net charge-offs for the quarter totaled $108 million, or 32 basis points, down from 34 basis points in the linked quarter. Quarter net charge-offs were relatively granular with the five largest charges amounting to less than $35 million in total. Nonaccrual loans increased by $33 million, or 2%, to $1.6 million, and the nonaccrual ratio rose 2 basis points to 1.16%, primarily driven by higher nonaccruals in CNI within recreational finance.
Q:What factors influenced the provision for credit losses and the allowance for loan losses?
A:The provision for credit losses was $125 million compared to net charge-offs of $108 million. This included a $20 million provision for unfunded credit commitments related to credit recs obligations for certain C loans sold by MTRC under the Fannie Mae Dust program. The allowance for loan losses as a percent of total loans decreased by 2 basis points to 1.61%, reflecting lower levels of criticized loans.
Q:How did the CET 1 ratio change from the end of the first quarter, and what factors influenced this change?
A:The CET 1 ratio at the end of the second quarter was estimated at 10.98%, compared to 11.5% at the end of the first quarter. The decline reflects increased capital distributions, including $1.1 billion in share repurchases, partially offset by continued strong capital generation and an AOCI impact on the CET 1 ratio from AFS securities and pension-related components, which would have been positive by approximately 10 basis points if included in regulatory capital.
Q:What is the bank's strategy regarding capital, share repurchases, and the economic backdrop?
A:The bank expects to operate in a 10.75% to 11% range for the remainder of the year and remains committed to being opportunistic with share repurchases, continuing to monitor the economic backdrop and asset quality trends. The bank is focused on growing New England and Long Island markets, optimizing resources through simplification, making systems resilient and scalable, and continuing to scale and develop risk management capabilities.
Q:What is the bank's outlook for the economy and its financial performance?
A:The bank expects a positive economic figure in the second quarter due to lower imports and some domestic spending slowing. They acknowledge the potential for a slowing economy and are cautious of downside risks and uncertainty. The bank ended the second quarter well-positioned with strong liquidity, strong capital generation, and a CET 1 ratio of nearly 11.5%. For net interest income, the bank expects taxable equivalent net interest income to be between $7 to $7.15 billion with a net interest margin averaging in the mid to high 360s. Full-year average loan growth is expected to be between $135 to $137 billion, and full-year average deposit balances between $162 to $164 billion.
Q:What revisions were made to the bank's net charge offs and criticized loans outlook?
A:The bank expects net charge-offs for the full year to be less than 35 basis points, revised from below initial expectations. The outlook for criticized loans indicates a continuation of decline through 2025, albeit at a more moderate pace.
Q:What is the current status of M and T's capital position and the outlook for future growth?
A:M and T currently has over 5 billion in the pipeline and while growing linked quarter in CRE seems challenging due to past runoff, there is potential for growth later in the year as the pipeline continues to build.
Q:What is the appropriate level of capital for M and T to hold, and how is this balance managed?
A:The appropriate level of capital for M and T is in the range of 1.25 to 1.75 times (Ed) of regulatory requirements, which is below the long-term target of 10%. This balance is managed with an eye on market uncertainty and the risks like tariffs, geopolitical conditions, fiscal deficits, and asset prices.
Q:What factors are driving the positive performance in fee income, particularly in trust and other areas?
A:The positive performance in fee income is driven by growth in the corporate trust business, which has seen significant investment and large wins, as well as a strong subservicing business and a focus on Treasury management that has shown year-over-year growth.
Q:How does M and T Bank's business model compare to that of larger banks, especially in terms of retail deposit growth?
A:M and T Bank's business model focuses on serving communities rather than being the largest bank, which is considered an advantage. The bank has grown successfully with a lower cost efficiency ratio and aims to maintain simplicity in operations as it grows, rather than needing to match the scale of mega banks for retail deposit growth.
Q:What are the reasons for the expense improvements in the back half of the year, and what is the current stance on acquisition timing?
A:The expense improvements in the back half of the year are due to positive operating leverage being maintained despite lower-than-anticipated loan growth. There is no immediate plan for large-scale acquisitions, but the bank continues to work on projects and acquisitions that fit its business model and risk profile.
Q:How does M and T plan to handle commercial real estate (CRE) risks in potential acquisitions?
A:M and T plans to handle CRE risks in potential acquisitions by looking for cultural and credit fit, potentially selling credits post-closure, doing risk transfer trades, and other optionality available. The goal is to maintain most relationships but have strategies in place to minimize risk if needed.
Q:What is the expected range for the full-year margin guidance and what factors influence it?
A:The expected range for the full-year margin guidance is in the mid to high 360s. The factors that influence this guidance include the amount of commercial and CRE loan growth.
Q:Why is the bank optimistic about growing its commercial CNI balances in the third and fourth quarter?
A:The bank is optimistic about growing its commercial CNI balances in the third and fourth quarters because they anticipate a turn positive effect and hope to end the year strong with this metric.
Q:What were the significant factors contributing to the bank's positive fixed asset repricing this quarter?
A:The significant factors contributing to the bank's positive fixed asset repricing this quarter include higher pricing on auto loans, RV loans, and residential mortgages, as well as investments in the portfolio that have yielded an average of about 100 basis points on what's rolling off and what's rolling on. Additionally, the swap book has seen positive repricing.
Q:Why is the bank cautious about reaching 370 this year despite the positive factors?
A:The bank is cautious about reaching 370 this year because it relies heavily on loan growth, and the current outlook is just a little cautious, which is why the guidance remains in the mid to high 360s.
Q:How significant is the pipeline for CNI loan growth in markets acquired through People's and what are the key factors contributing to its growth?
A:The pipeline for CNI loan growth in markets acquired through People's is significant, and it has been helpful to the bank over the past year or two. Key factors contributing to its growth include the addition of new leadership, strong growth in regions like eastern mass and Connecticut, and the acquisition of specialty fund banking, corporate, and institutional businesses that were not previously part of the bank's portfolio.
Q:What is the bank's outlook on consumer loan growth and the factors affecting it?
A:The bank's outlook on consumer loan growth is positive, with a strong and consistent growth in loans. Factors affecting it include the pull-forward effect of people buying ahead of anticipated price increases, optimism in the RV and auto sectors, and growing loan categories such as HELOCs and credit cards. The bank expects these positive trends to continue.
Q:Does the bank still expect to be at the high end of the new average deposit range of 162 to 164 billion?
A:Yes, the bank still expects to be at the high end of the new average deposit range of 162 to 164 billion. Factors supporting this expectation include competitive rate setting, recent growth of 2.2 billion, and the reduction of broker deposits and noncore funding.
Q:What is the bank's view on the pace of buybacks for the remainder of the year and their plans for M&A?
A:The bank has accelerated buybacks to the script level, up from the script to script before that. The bank had indicated the 4 billion authorization could be completed over Ed quarters and remains on a similar pace. Regarding M&A, the bank is interested and has a change in its outlook, indicating that it would consider deals made by other regional banks as interesting opportunities.
Q:What is the strategy for stock buybacks and how does it align with economic conditions?
A:The company's strategy for stock buybacks is to operate at an accelerated pace, potentially dropping to a slower rate like 10 or 10.25 if the economy improves. They have already bought back 5.7% of their shares in the first and second quarters. The alignment with economic conditions suggests that they will adjust the buyback pace based on economic indicators.
Q:What regions and business segments are contributing to the company's growth?
A:The company's fastest growth regions were Jersey and York. In addition, their specialty businesses such as CNI, warehouse and fund banking, are operating strongly. The pipeline and middle market continue to be robust, with low line utilization and dealer commercial services. These segments contribute to the company's overall growth and are indicative of a healthy and expanding portfolio.
Q:What is the expected impact of the reduction in uncertainty of paydowns on the company's portfolio?
A:The reduction in uncertainty of paydowns has led to a relatively strong pace, but it is expected to moderate at some point, possibly within this or the next quarter. This moderation is anticipated to bring more natural growth to the portfolio, as the pace of uncertainty paydowns is set to slow down.
Q:How important is capital allocation to customers, and what is the priority order for returning capital?
A:Capital allocation to customers is a top priority, followed by ensuring a strong and growing dividend, and then by share buybacks. The company views both dividends and buybacks as important components of capital return. The board decision and action in this area are anticipated to make investors pleased, with dividends being a priority before buybacks.
Q:What factors contributed to the 5 basis point headwind to NIM from higher liability costs?
A:The 5 basis point headwind to NIM from higher liability costs was not due to sticky funding costs. The company actively sought to bring in these deposits, which had an average cost around 390 to 40 basis points, which is less than their marginal funding curve. This allows them to pay down noncore funding without impacting loan funding, optimizing their balance sheet.
Q:Is there potential for the company to increase its CNI and consumer mix further?
A:The company currently has an CNI mix of under 20%, which is seen as potentially growing from that position. They are trying to stabilize and grow their CNI business. The company also aims to continue growing their consumer portfolios and is satisfied with the diversification provided by their current mix. While they might see higher allowance ratios due to charge-offs, overall risk-adjusted spreads are strong, suggesting that the current mix is beneficial for the company.
Q:How does the company plan to manage deposit growth relative to loan growth?
A:The company plans to continue being consistent in attracting deposits at the right price and has been successful in doing so. They do not anticipate issues in managing deposit growth relative to loan growth, emphasizing that they give fair prices for deposits, although they may occasionally pay more if necessary. However, they prefer to offer prices that are consistent with market conditions and aim to give fair rates to their customers.
Q:What factors are influencing the bank's capital operating targets?
A:The factors influencing the bank's capital operating targets include ratings agencies, regulators, and the performance of regional banks like M and T in setting their targets. The bank's strategy has been to derisk the company and improve its capital buffer, which has been effective as seen in their progress towards operating around 11%.
Q:How does the bank plan to improve its capital buffer and criticized book?
A:The bank plans to improve its capital buffer and criticized book by continuing to shrink the criticized book, which is a part of their journey to derisk the company. This strategy is expected to result in an improvement in the use and alignment of the capital buffer with the bank's operational goals.
Q:What is the bank's strategy for deposit competition and customer acquisition?
A:The bank's strategy for deposit competition and customer acquisition involves prioritizing the opening of operating accounts as it is the core deposit product for the bank. The focus is on generating new operating accounts each month and quarter, which opens up opportunities for additional services and products. The bank values the core deposit franchise starting with these operating accounts and aims to increase its share of the wallet over time by paying competitive rates to customers.
Q:What is the current level of criticized CNI and Cre loans, and how does it compare to past levels?
A:The current level of criticized CNI and Cre loans is at around 8.5 to 8.4 billion, down from a few years ago when it peaked at the highest level in the history observed at M and T. The bank is on a path to continue reducing these levels over the next one or two years to be lower than the current operating levels, indicating progress and a move towards normalization.
Q:Why was there a provision for unfunded credit commitments of $20 million?
A:The provision for unfunded credit commitments of $20 million relates to the Mt RCC business and its relationship with Fannie Mae. A specific program with Fannie Mae had led to minimal losses until this quarter, when the provision was $20 million and the actual charge-offs were closer to $15 to $16 million due to losses on seven unique client transactions.
Q:How has the adoption of stablecoins impacted the payments business and deposit gathering?
A:The adoption of stablecoins, pending the passage of the coin Act in Washington, is being considered as a potential payment rail for cross-border trading or for off-hours transactions. The bank has a group evaluating this, and for stablecoins to be adopted, they need to be easier and less expensive to use than current methods. The bank will monitor the development and potentially partner to participate in this space if customer demand for such products arises.
Q:What color can be provided on net charge-offs versus expectations at the beginning of the year?
A:The bank's net charge-offs year to date are at 33 basis points, which is an improvement from the beginning of the year. The bank is cautious due to market uncertainty but expects to come in under 40 basis points. This is an improvement over expectations, with some portfolios performing better than anticipated.
Q:What was the reason behind the sale of the commercial real estate portfolio, and what were the types of loans sold?
A:The sale of the commercial real estate portfolio was a business decision made because the bank did not have relationships with these out-of-footprint customers. The decision was driven by the need to deploy capital to core clients within the bank's footprint for more wholesome relationships. The types of loans sold were in the commercial real estate space.
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