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孩之宝公司 (HAS.US) 2025年第二季度业绩电话会
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Hasbro exceeded expectations in Q2 2025, driven by Wizards of the Coast's exceptional performance, particularly Magic: The Gathering's growth and record-breaking 'Final Fantasy' set. The company is investing in its digital pipeline, expanding partnerships, and navigating challenges such as tariffs through cost-saving measures. Financial guidance was revised, with an increased full-year adjusted EBITDA outlook, reflecting strong execution and cost discipline. Key priorities include investing in growth drivers, debt reduction, and returning cash to shareholders.
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Summary of Hasbro's 2025 second quarter financial report conference call
This conference call was held by Hasbro to discuss the performance of the company in the second quarter of 2025. During the meeting, company executives including the CEO and CFO/COO provided a detailed review of the company's financial performance and information on non-GAAP adjustments and non-GAAP financial metrics. Additionally, the meeting highlighted various factors that may affect actual results and reminded participants to be mindful of the risks associated with forward-looking statements.
Hasbro 2025 Second Quarter Performance Report and Strategic Outlook
In the second quarter of 2025, Hasbro outperformed expectations, particularly in the Wizards of the Coast business, licensing, and digital business. Magic: The Gathering showed significant growth, with both new and old product lines setting sales records. The company also increased its investment in the digital gaming field, including the upcoming flagship game and collaborations with industry veterans. Despite facing challenges such as tariffs and other macroeconomic environment challenges, Hasbro is expected to achieve sales recovery in the second half of the year by adjusting cost structures and optimizing supply chains, especially in the North American market. Additionally, with a diversified product line and strategic market investments, the company remains optimistic about future growth.
Hasbro raises second quarter performance and full-year guidance.
Hasbro had a strong performance in the second quarter, exceeding expectations with increases in revenue, profit, and profit margin, despite facing challenges in the external environment. Its Magic business showed strong results, especially with Magic The Gathering achieving its highest sales in history, leading to a 16% increase in revenue. Although there was a slight decrease in revenue in the consumer products division, disciplined cost control and promotional spending helped achieve a near break-even profit. The company raised its full-year performance expectations, expecting total revenue to achieve mid-single-digit growth and adjusted operating profit margin to reach 22% to 23%. Additionally, the company plans to maintain financial flexibility and shareholder returns through cost savings, debt reduction, and investments in core growth engines.
Translation: Final Fantasy game card demand exceeds expectations and future market outlook
In recent discussions, it was mentioned that the release of the Final Fantasy game card set has become the largest in history, with demand far exceeding expectations. The company achieved a revenue of 200 million dollars in just one day, surpassing the 200 million dollars reached in six months by the previous "Lord of the Rings" series. Despite increasing production four times, market demand remains strong, and the product is expected to have a long sales tail. In addition, the company is confident in the future growth of the Magic series and other related product lines, planning to meet market demand by introducing more popular IP and optimizing product lines. It is expected that market performance will remain strong in 2026 and beyond.
Discussion on the company's mid-term goals and accelerating growth in Monopoly Go game performance.
During the discussion, the company reiterated its midterm goal, which is to achieve an annual average operating profit margin growth of 500 to 1000 basis points over the next 27 years. Despite the performance exceeding expectations in the current year, the company stated that it will not immediately adjust its midterm goal, mentioning the possibility of performance fluctuations in the coming years. Additionally, it was mentioned in the discussion that the performance of the Monopoly Go game has significantly accelerated, contributing $44 million in revenue in a single quarter, setting a new record. This was attributed to the excellent collaboration with Star Wars and lower-than-expected user acquisition costs, resulting in game revenue exceeding previous estimates. The company expects monthly revenue for the second half of the year for this game to be between $12 million and $14 million.
Company performance exceeds expectations and long-term growth strategy discussion.
In this discussion, the company raised its full-year guidance due to better-than-expected performance in the first quarter, despite facing uncertainties such as the upcoming holiday season and tariff impacts. Management stated that although the first quarter showed strong results, considering the tariff impacts in the second half of the year and the early stages of the sales cycle, the current guidance is appropriate. In addition, the discussion also involved the company's growth strategy for its gaming business, particularly "Magic: The Gathering," and the role of third-party intellectual property in business growth, highlighting success achieved through strategies for expanding both new and existing players and providing a positive outlook for long-term growth.
Analysis of the company's quarterly performance and future outlook.
The discussion focused on the company's performance in the recent quarter, particularly from the perspective of a "wizard." The performance was excellent, but the magnitude of improvement compared to market expectations appeared to be more moderate. The conversation mentioned the impact of tariffs, uncertainty in the Wizards business, and the performance of the CP (possibly referring to consumer products) business. The company noted that while the gaming and collectibles market performed well, the cautious retail environment and inventory management attitude affected performance expectations. Additionally, strict inventory monitoring by retailers and delayed holiday product procurement also influenced performance predictions, with some popular items expected to experience stockouts during the holiday season.
Discussion on the market in Japan and future international growth strategy for Magic: The Gathering.
During the discussion, it was mentioned that Magic: The Gathering has achieved significant sales growth in the Japanese market through collaborations with IPs such as Final Fantasy, being seen as the second best-selling product after Modern Horizons 2. This success has prompted the company to further expand into the Japanese market and seek more potential IP collaborations, especially in Japan, as it leads the global TCG market in innovation and diversity. Additionally, through collaborations with IPs like Spider-Man and Avatar, Magic: The Gathering is attempting to attract a younger and more diverse player base while also working to increase the proportion of female players. Finally, the discussion also touched on consumer responses and industry trends in the US market for Magic: The Gathering.
Sales trends and the impact of tariffs on the toy industry in the second quarter.
The performance of the toy industry in the second quarter was discussed, especially the growth in sales of trading cards and building sets, while other categories showed flat or slight decline. Collaboration with the entertainment industry such as "Transformers" and Marvel toy series was mentioned as having strong sales. At the same time, innovative products such as Beyblade and the Plato Barbie collaboration with Mattel also had a positive impact. The impact of tariffs on toy prices was discussed, noting that price increases may be a slow and ongoing process, and how retailers and manufacturers are working to protect key price points to maintain consumer purchasing power.
Discussion on product pricing strategy and inventory risk management in 2023.
In the second half of 2023, the company adjusted its product portfolio based on mathematical and logical analysis, deciding not to introduce products that cannot withstand significant price increases into the US market in order to avoid imposing excessive burden on consumers. At the same time, the company is watching to see if large retailers are demanding suppliers to take on more inventory risk, for example, by having suppliers bear the risk of unsold inventory through a marketplace model, but as of now, the company has not encountered this situation.
Magic player base growth and revenue outlook for consumer product lines
The conversation discussed the significant increase in the base of magic players, especially through organized gaming events which attracted a 40% annual growth rate, as well as attracting a large number of new players through specific events like Final Fantasy. At the same time, the discussion also involved the performance outlook of the consumer product line, including retailers' cautious attitude towards holiday orders and inventory strategies, as well as the reasons for adjusting the full-year performance guidance.
Toy company discusses future profit expectations and product strategy adjustments.
During the discussion, the company's senior management indicated that there are currently no plans to adjust the operating profit margin of the digital and coastal business segments by more than 40% in the short term. They also mentioned that starting in 2026, profits may be affected by depreciation due to the Exodus project. In addition, a rationalization strategy for SKUs (stock-keeping units) was discussed, including reducing complexity and streamlining product lines, particularly targeting the adjustment of SKUs in the US market to address tariff impacts and inventory management. The company is optimistic about the growth of the future CP (Consumer Products) department, expecting significant market portfolio growth next year through a strong entertainment product line including Spider-Man, Star Wars, and the Avengers. Furthermore, the positive market feedback on early innovative products such as Barbie and Peppa Pig was also mentioned.
The company is discussing new player growth and inventory management for the Magic card game.
The company discussed the growth of new players in the Magic card game in the current quarter, pointing out that the number of new players has increased compared to previous years. They also mentioned several important factors in inventory management, including tariff costs, foreign exchange rate impact, and adjustments to retailers' Direct Import (DI) strategies. The company stated that despite facing these challenges, their expectations and management of inventory are still under control.
要点回答
Q:What are the key performance indicators of the company's second quarter results?
A:The key performance indicators of the company's second quarter results include momentum on the strategic plan, strong results from the Wizards of the Coast business, continued performance in the licensing and digital segments, and a steady long-term approach to navigating a complicated macro environment.
Q:What standout achievements did Wizards of the Coast achieve in the second quarter?
A:Wizards of the Coast had a standout quarter with Magic: The Gathering growing 23% year over year and up 32% year to date. The release of Final Fantasy as the highest grossing Magic set ever and Secret Lair achieving the strongest sales quarter in its history are among the standout achievements.
Q:What is the growth trajectory for Magic: The Gathering?
A:Magic: The Gathering is showing durable and accelerating growth, with strength across every KPI of the brand. The new release of Final Fantasy has already become the highest grossing Magic set ever, and backlist Magic sets have set an all-time annual sales record. The brand is seeing an increase in community engagement and has a strong future in the second half of 2025 and beyond.
Q:What is the progress and future outlook of the digital pipeline at Wizards of the Coast?
A:The progress at Wizards of the Coast includes the flagship AAA Sci-Fi RPG, Exodus, from Archetype Entertainment, which is targeting a launch in the second half of 2026. There's also an exclusive publishing agreement with Giant Squid led by industry veteran Stig Asmussen, focusing on a new single-player Dungeons and Dragons action adventure game. The company is investing in top-tier talent and focusing on player-first experiences, with a diverse and high-quality slate for growth.
Q:How is the consumer products segment performing and what challenges are faced?
A:Consumer products are showing signs of underlying momentum with top line performance expected to improve sequentially. Licensing is outperforming with Monopoly Go achieving revenue milestones. However, there's a sales decline in consumer products due to retail partner ordering shifts and market softness in select geographies, which is expected to be made up in the back half of the year.
Q:What steps are being taken to manage the impact of tariffs on the business?
A:To manage the impact of tariffs, the company is compensating through cost reductions, rebalancing marketing spend, diversifying the supplier mix, and implementing targeted pricing actions. These strategies help offset the effects of increased tariffs on the business.
Q:What guidance updates were provided by the company regarding its financial performance?
A:The company raised both top and bottom line guidance for 2025 and reaffirmed its mid-term outlook. It expects 2025 to be the year of growth with record operating margins. This positive outlook is attributed to strong performance across the diversified portfolio, especially from Magic, and effective execution of strategies.
Q:What were the financial highlights for the second quarter?
A:Financial highlights for the second quarter include net revenue at $981 million, essentially flat year over year; adjusted operating profit of $247 million with a margin of 25.2%, up 20 basis points; adjusted earnings per diluted share of $1.30, up 7% year over year; and a continued strong performance of the Wizards of the Coast and digital gaming segment with revenue growth of 16% to $522 million and segment operating profit of $242 million with a margin of 46.3%.
Q:What are the recent financial results and progress in cost leadership for Hasbro?
A:Hasbro has returned to growth with revenue increasing 7% versus last year, driven by strong operating profit of $470 million, up 18%. They remain focused on transformation and cost leadership, having delivered $209 million in operating cash flow and returned $196 million to shareholders via dividends, with a gross savings of $150 million through the first half, on track to meet annual targets.
Q:What is the updated estimate for the financial impact of trade policies with China and Vietnam?
A:The financial impact from the updated trade policies with China and Vietnam is now estimated to be at the lower end of the previously modeled range, with an expected $60 million of expense in the 2025 P&L. Most impacted inventory is still on the balance sheet and has not yet flowed through.
Q:What factors contributed to the inventory valuation changes and planned shifts in revenue mix?
A:The inventory valuation changes are influenced by tariffs, foreign exchange, and a planned shift in revenue mix towards domestic fulfillment. The company feels well positioned ahead of the retail seasonal inventory build and is expecting to exit the year slightly up versus last year due to these factors.
Q:What steps is Hasbro taking to mitigate risks from trade uncertainty?
A:To mitigate risks from trade uncertainty, Hasbro has activated a comprehensive mitigation playbook including SKU rationalization, sourcing diversification, pricing strategy, and retailer collaboration. They are also working to bring down US toy and game volume exposure from China to less than 50% through accelerated geographic diversification and onshoring more production.
Q:How does the recent performance and outlook for the company influence the updated financial guidance?
A:Based on strong first half performance and improved visibility into the back half, Hasbro has raised full-year guidance for revenue, margin, and adjusted EBITDA. The updated guidance reflects continued strength in the Wizards business, confidence in cost transformation efforts, and a reduced impact from tariffs compared to earlier predictions.
Q:What are the changes to the company’s capital allocation priorities?
A:Hasbro’s capital allocation priorities remain unchanged, focusing on investing in the business, particularly in high-return growth drivers like Wizards and Digital, reducing debt and meeting long-term leverage goals, and returning cash to shareholders via dividends.
Q:What was the successful factor behind Final Fantasy's performance?
A:The successful factors behind Final Fantasy's performance include targeting the right intellectual properties (IPs) that align with what fans of Magic might find appealing, the strength and cross-regional appeal of Final Fantasy, and the strong overlap of fan bases with Lord of the Rings. The success also comes from the strategic management of SKU mix and pricing by the Wizards team.
Q:How is Hasbro preparing for future universes beyond Final Fantasy and what can be expected in terms of revenue growth?
A:Hasbro is feeling optimistic about the universes beyond lineup for 2026 and 2027, having learned from the success of Final Fantasy and planning for more of the same or better in the future. They anticipate strong revenue growth and are player-focused in their approach to reveal upcoming sets, feeling good about the net collaborations and first-party sets in the coming years.
Q:What factors are influencing the inventory and order patterns in Q2 and Q3?
A:In Q2, the inventory and order patterns were influenced by retailers deciding to stop, pause, or slow their direct imports of discretionary holiday goods, leading to more inventory within domestic. This was in anticipation of later pull-through for Christmas sales, with many retailers pushing their shelf resets into later Q3. The pattern is expected to return to normal in Q3 and Q4.
Q:How did the Final Fantasy set impact sales, and what are future expectations for international growth of Magic?
A:The Final Fantasy set became the second-best-selling set in Japan, second only to Modern Horizons 2. It was a big seller there, and the speaker views Japan as a growth market for Magic, with potential for partnerships with licensed companies like Square Enix. Japan is considered an innovative market with a variety of trading card games.
Q:How is Magic addressing demographic shifts and inclusion of different groups in its player base?
A:Magic aims to address demographic shifts and inclusion by continuing to engage new players, especially in the 11 to 14 year old range, while recognizing that the median age increases over time due to multi-generational play. The company is also exploring partnerships with properties like Spider-Man, Sonic the Hedgehog, and others to test and learn new IP for expanding the game's demographic. Furthermore, Magic seeks to increase its female player base, currently at about 30%, by exploring IP with more representation in these areas.
Q:What are the company's views on the impact of tariffs on production timing, market prices, and consumer behavior?
A:The company acknowledges that while tariffs have not significantly impacted sales take-through from the consumer yet, toy prices have started to show indications of creeping up, expected to continue slowly and consistently through the remainder of the year and into the next. The focus is on protecting retail prices to maintain consumer purchasing power. The company has adjusted its portfolio in the back half of the year to avoid products with high pricing that would not be palatable for consumers. There has been discussion with retailers about inventory risk management, but no significant shift in ownership arrangement has been observed yet.
Q:What is the effect of Final Fantasy on new player acquisition for the organized play network?
A:Final Fantasy has been very effective in bringing in new players to the organized play network, acquiring more new players in two weeks than would typically be acquired in a 12-week period for any other set. There is a long tail of repeat purchases for future sets.
Q:What is the robust model being developed by the company?
A:The company is working on a robust model to track metrics related to Magic play, despite most play being offline. This model will help monitor the total player base, which is growing quite robustly.
Q:What factors led to the downgrade in the consumer products guidance?
A:The downgrade in the consumer products guidance is attributed to retailers pausing inventory procurement for the holidays in Q2, and pushing back shelf resets to Q3. These factors impacted the quarterly and annual outlook, as well as the updated guidance for the remainder of the year.
Q:What is the SKU rationalization process about and what does it mean for the consumer products segment?
A:The SKU rationalization process involves removing complexity by pruning certain 'C and D level' SKUs, not bringing into the U.S. market products that would have had a negative impact due to tariffs, and focusing on aligning the portfolio with the retail and consumer environment.
Q:Is there an expectation to return to growth in the consumer products segment next year?
A:Yes, there is an expectation to return to growth in the consumer products segment next year. The company has a strong lineup of entertainment products and anticipates meaningful top line growth across the market portfolio.
Q:How is the customer base for Magic evolving in terms of new, lapsed, and existing players?
A:The customer base for Magic is evolving with a stronger mix of new players than in prior years, indicating more people playing Magic and more new players joining the game than ever before.
Q:What factors contributed to the step up in inventory during the quarter?
A:The step up in inventory is due to a combination of a planned inventory build, the impact of the Fx tariffs, and delayed Distribution Channel (DOM) shipments. This resulted in higher inventory costs and a misalignment with retail distribution pace.
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