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Oklo inc (OKLO.US) 2025年第三季度业绩电话会
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Oklo leverages DOE programs for rapid reactor deployment, focusing on a multi-faceted fuel strategy including plutonium conversion and international partnerships. The company benefits from streamlined regulatory processes, securing significant investments and expanding customer engagements in utilities, data centers, and defense markets, while advancing its radioisotope production capabilities.
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Oko's Third Quarter 2025 Financial Results & Nuclear Sector Momentum
A financial update and business overview for Oko, highlighting advancements in the nuclear energy sector and the company's strategic positioning amid growing investor and customer interest in clean, reliable power.
Advanced Nuclear Energy: Oklo's Vision for a Sustainable Future
Oklo leverages scalable designs, proven technology, and a build-own-operate model to pioneer advanced nuclear energy. With regulatory milestones achieved, fuel development partnerships, and a robust customer pipeline, Oklo is poised for rapid deployment and long-term growth in the nuclear sector, driving innovation in metal fuel and fast reactor technology.
Regulatory Milestones, International Partnerships, and DOE Program Participation Drive Nuclear Energy Advancement
Achieved key regulatory approvals, expanded international collaborations, and secured DOE program awards, positioning for accelerated construction and operation of advanced nuclear reactors, bolstering national energy security, and driving innovation in fuel production and technology.
Modernizing Nuclear Plant Authorization: DOE's New Framework for Accelerated Construction and Enhanced Safety
The Department of Energy (DOE) has introduced a streamlined authorization process for pioneering nuclear plants, allowing concurrent construction and safety reviews. This complements traditional NRC licensing, aiming to reduce idle time without compromising safety. By leveraging DOE's extensive experience, the framework aims to unlock industrial capacity, enhance national energy security, and establish a scalable pathway for advanced reactors. Parallel engagement with the NRC ensures coordinated progress, reducing timeline risks and improving capital efficiency for investors and customers.
Progressing Nuclear Powerhouse Construction and Licensing under DOE and NRC Oversight
The dialogue highlights the advancement of nuclear powerhouse construction at Idaho National Laboratory under DOE's Reactor Pilot Program, concurrent with NRC licensing efforts for future deployments. It underscores procurement achievements, Atomic Alchemy's role in isotope production, and a strategic fuel supply approach to mitigate risks and ensure scalability.
Adapting to Evolving Fuel Markets: Oklo's Resilient and Diversified Strategy
Discusses Oklo's flexible fuel strategy amidst changing market dynamics, highlighting partnerships with current and future technology providers, utilization of government reserves, and exploration of plutonium blending to accelerate time to market and reduce capital investments.
Advanced Nuclear Recycling: Building a Sustainable Fuel Supply Chain for Future Powerhouses
The dialogue highlights the development of a privately funded recycling facility in Tennessee, aiming to convert used fuel into new fuel for advanced reactors. It discusses federal support through the Nuclear Refuel Act and the Advanced Nuclear Fuel Line Pilot Program, emphasizing the creation of a durable domestic foundation for advanced nuclear power and a vertically integrated ecosystem for recycling, fabrication, and deployment.
Oakland's Strategic Partnerships and Financials Drive Advanced Nuclear Power Innovation
Announces strategic partnerships with European companies for fast reactor and fuel fabrication technologies, secures $2 billion investment for domestic fuel manufacturing, reports $36.3 million Q3 operating loss, and completes $540 million fundraising, positioning as a leader in scalable zero-carbon power solutions.
Department of Energy Authorization and NRC COLA Requirement for Il Plant
Clarifies the impact of DOE authorization on NRC COLA submission for Il plant, confirming no COLA required under DOE pathway.
Revolutionizing Nuclear Licensing: DOE's New Approach for Faster Construction and Operation
The dialogue discusses a transformative shift in nuclear plant licensing and construction processes, facilitated by the Department of Energy (DOE), which allows for concurrent building and licensing, significantly reducing regulatory risk and accelerating project timelines. This new approach, enabled by recent legislation and executive orders, leverages DOE's historical expertise in nuclear oversight, enabling more efficient plant development and eventual commercial operation. The conversation also touches on strategic customer partnerships and the evolution of power purchase agreements (PPAs) to better align with the unique characteristics of nuclear projects, emphasizing a patient, mutually beneficial relationship-building strategy.
Exploring DOE's Role in AI Data Center Development and INL Operations Timeline
Discussion revolves around DOE's potential involvement in AI data center development, highlighting the executive order's impact on enabling structures for resource needs. Also addressed is the timeline for commercial operations at INL, with a focus on milestones leading up to full activation in early January, under the DOE pathway.
Accelerated Milestones and Collaborative Advancements in Reactor Pilot Programs
Discussed significant progress in reactor pilot programs, including the Aurora and Atomic Alchemy Pilot prototype production reactor, set for operation in 2026, and the Pluto reactor's development for fast neutron radiation capabilities. Highlighted advancements in fuel fabrication, emphasizing DOE's role in expediting authorization and construction processes, and the strategic partnership with the NRC to streamline licensing for advanced reactors, aiming for accelerated milestones and operational efficiencies.
Understanding Plutonium as a Superior Fissile Fuel in Nuclear Reactors
The dialogue delves into the technical advantages of plutonium as a fuel source in nuclear reactors, highlighting its superior performance compared to uranium. It explains the conversion process of blending plutonium with uranium to create metallic fuel, emphasizing its efficiency and the potential to accelerate deployment schedules for fuel recycling facilities.
Transforming Nuclear Waste Liability into Advanced Reactor Fuel: DOE Pilot Program's Impact
Discussion highlights DOE's Fuel Pilot Program converting nuclear waste from a costly disposal burden into a valuable resource for advanced reactors, potentially revolutionizing energy production and reducing environmental liabilities.
Significance of Accelerated Nuclear Reactor Deployment and Fuel Supply Chain Expansion
The dialogue highlights the importance of rapidly building more nuclear reactors to scale up fuel enrichment and recycling, catalyzing the growth of the commercial fuel supply chain. It emphasizes the role of fast reactors and plutonium in enhancing fuel flexibility and the impact of policy moves in enabling quicker deployment of nuclear power.
Exploring Pluto Test Reactor: Purpose, Design, and Expected Learnings
The dialogue discusses the unique design and purpose of the Pluto test reactor, emphasizing its role in fast neutron and I radiation testing. It clarifies that the reactor, unlike Aurora, will use plutonium and hints at a 75 MW size, aiming to provide insights for future reactor designs.
Expanding Fast Neutron Capabilities for Enhanced Nuclear Fuel Fabrication and Radiation Services
The dialogue explores the strategic importance of developing fast neutron radiation capabilities through the Pluto program, which includes fuel fabrication, plutonium handling, and testing. This initiative aims to enhance nuclear fuel efficiency, support isotope production, and offer advanced radiation services, ultimately contributing to economic performance improvements and technological advancements in the nuclear sector.
Discussion on CapEx Recon by Components in Dollar Terms for Future Procurement
Speakers discuss the expected similarity between the number of components and their dollar value in CapEx recon, mentioning ongoing refinement of cost estimates with procurement activities, aiming to share more details by 2026.
Backlog Update & Customer Discussions on PPA Conversions and Fuel Recycling Progress
The company updates on its 14 GW backlog, predominantly from data center and hyperscaler customers, with potential for growth. Active discussions on PPA conversions, including prepayment for power or fuel. Progress on Atomic Alchemy's fuel recycling project, with potential revenue from lab scale facility in the first half of next year.
Exploring Versatile Reactor Capabilities for Isotope Production and Advanced Materials Processing
Discussion revolves around using existing facilities for near-term isotope production and recovery, highlighting the advantages of tailored reactors like the Viper for enhanced performance, including fast neutron isotope production and silicon radiation. The focus is on US-based capabilities, the economic benefits of simpler reactor designs, and the strategic importance of diversifying isotope production methods beyond thermal neutron reactors.
Optimizing Reactor Operations for Isotope Production Without Disrupting Power Cycles
Discusses strategies for integrating isotope irradiation with reactor operations, emphasizing flexibility in scheduling to avoid power production disruptions, highlighting the potential for optimized asset management in specialized reactors.
Natural Gas Partnerships and Market Trends in Energy Solutions
Discusses the ongoing value of natural gas partnerships, like with Liberty Energy, for bridging energy needs in the face of market constraints and long-term planning challenges. Highlights the preference for grid-connected solutions and the strategic use of gas to enable power at facilities, emphasizing its evolving role in commercial energy strategies.
Exploring Government Fuel Availability's Role in Accelerating Nuclear Plant Construction
Discussion highlights the potential impact of increased government fuel availability on expediting nuclear plant construction, suggesting this could pave the way for earlier nuclear energy adoption. The conversation acknowledges the market's ongoing process of understanding these implications, recognizing the significance of this fresh perspective in the energy sector.
Prepayment Requirements for Long Lead Time Items in Nuclear Supply Chain
The dialogue discusses the level of prepayments needed for securing long lead time items in the nuclear supply chain, noting that prepayments are in the 10% range. It highlights the importance of capital availability, enabled by successful capital raises, to facilitate such prepayments for better pricing on assets.
Exploring Economic Opportunities and Licensing Pathways for DOE-Authorized Nuclear Facilities
The dialogue discusses potential economic opportunities and licensing pathways for facilities authorized by the Department of Energy (DOE), focusing on the transition from DOE authorization to commercial operation or NRC licensing. It highlights the Aurora facility's potential shift to commercial energy production, the Atomic Alchemy plant's role in DOE missions, and the Pluto reactor's future. The conversation also touches on the flexibility of DOE-authorized facilities to support DOE needs while opening doors for commercial possibilities, emphasizing collaboration between DOE and NRC for efficient and complementary work.
Prospects for Maximizing INL Powerhouse Capacity with Diverse Fuel Sources and Plutonium Integration
Discussions revolve around the potential to fully operationalize a 75 MW power facility, emphasizing confidence in securing diverse fuel supplies, including plutonium, to meet energy demands. Regulatory implications and proliferation concerns regarding the use of plutonium in fuel mixes are addressed, highlighting historical challenges and recommended pathways for safe and efficient integration.
Expanding Fast Reactor Programs for Plutonium Utilization and Regulatory Advancements
Discussion focuses on transitioning from dilution disposal to utilizing plutonium in fast reactors, leveraging existing infrastructure and partnerships with national labs. The regulatory framework, including NRC oversight, is seen as manageable, supporting the expansion of reactor and fuel pilot programs to address fuel shortages.
Proliferation, Plutonium Disposal, and Nuclear Power Generation: An Innovative Solution
The dialogue discusses the benefits of using plutonium in reactors to generate power and solve fuel shortages while disposing of it effectively. It emphasizes the importance of state-of-the-art safeguards and security measures in managing the material. The conversation also addresses concerns about incentivizing other countries to destroy plutonium, arguing that it could be a positive outcome. The discussion concludes with the idea of leading the world by adopting policies that prevent the separation of pure plutonium, instead producing a uranium-transuranic mix.
Olo's Accelerated Nuclear Regulatory Strategy and Bridge Fuel Opportunities
The CEO and COO of Olo discuss the impact of recent executive orders on the regulatory landscape for nuclear energy, emphasizing the acceleration of regulatory processes through collaboration with the Department of Energy and National Labs. They highlight the benefits of bridge fuels, particularly plutonium, in speeding up reactor construction and expanding the uranium fuel supply chain. Olo's participation in pilot programs is noted as a strategic move to streamline the regulatory approval process, aiming for quicker deployment of reactors. The dialogue concludes with excitement over the alignment of policy changes with Olo's capabilities, positioning the company to capitalize on emerging opportunities in nuclear energy.
要点回答
Q:What are the components of Oakland's mission?
A:The mission at Oakville is to deliver clean, reliable, affordable energy at a global scale.
Q:What are the benefits of Oakland's approach to nuclear power design, licensing, and operation?
A:The benefits of Oakland's approach include the ability to sell power directly to customers under long-term contracts for recurring revenue, a streamlined regulatory process due to internal ownership and operational control, and the use of a small, scalable design for quick deployment and leveraging of existing industrial supply chains.
Q:How is Oakland preparing to benefit from the DOE's Reactor Pilot Program and what is the role of the NRC in this?
A:Oakland was selected for three projects under the DOE's new Reactor Pilot Program (RPP), which provides access to DOE authorization pathways for accelerated deployment timelines. It also submitted a design report to the NRC and completed a readiness assessment, indicating no gaps for its Cola application. The DOE's authorization process aligns with NRC standards and provides a structured approach for initial construction under DOE oversight.
Q:What does the DOE's authorization pathway entail and how does it relate to the NRC?
A:The DOE's authorization pathway involves a modernized framework that allows for the initial construction and operations under DOE oversight while parallel NRC licensing for subsequent operations ensues. It provides a structured approach to build the first powerhouse with DOE oversight, followed by a transition to NRC licensing, aligning both processes to ensure a smooth handoff and potentially compress the timeline to subsequent deployments.
Q:What was the impact of the DOE's new policy shift on advanced reactor deployment?
A:The new executive actions established a clear DOE authorization process for first-of-a-kind nuclear plants, which complements traditional NRC licensing. This policy shift allows for faster demonstration of clean power while maintaining rigorous safety standards, potentially unlocking U.S. industrial capacity and enabling a transition to NRC licensing for full commercial operation.
Q:What is the significance of the ground-breaking event at the Idaho National Laboratory?
A:The ground-breaking event at the Idaho National Laboratory marks a major milestone for Oakland, as it signifies the transition from design and permitting to active construction. It is the first step in the process where major equipment is mobilized to the site, earthworks have begun, and it sets the template for future powerhouses, demonstrating the company's ability to execute on projects leading towards operations.
Q:How much cash did Cola end the third quarter with and what was the reason for the capital raise?
A:Cola ended the third quarter with approximately $1.2 billion in cash and marketable securities on its balance sheet. The reason for the capital raise was to provide the company with additional cash on hand to deliver its enhanced growth agenda.
Q:What does the DOE authorization signify for the project and how does it differ from a NRC combined license application?
A:The DOE authorization signifies that Cola no longer needs to submit a NRC combined license application for the project, as they are going through the DOE authorization process instead. This process is inherently different and allows for a more flexible approach to construction while licensing is being pursued.
Q:How does the DOE pathway potentially change the regulatory landscape for nuclear energy?
A:The DOE pathway potentially changes the regulatory landscape for nuclear energy by providing a more flexible approach to licensing, allowing for the construction of plants while undergoing the DOE authorization process. This can significantly reduce the amount of upfront licensing work required before building and operating a plant, thus changing the cadence of regulatory engagement and accelerating the path to commercial operations.
Q:What is the significance of the DOE and NRC collaboration for Cola's project?
A:The collaboration between the DOE and NRC is significant for Cola's project as it represents a modernized and enhanced approach to nuclear authorization, which the DOE has been empowered to do with the passing of the Nuclear Energy Innovation and Capabilities Act (NEICA) in 2018. This collaboration leverages expertise from both agencies, potentially speeding up the build process and allowing for a quicker transition into commercial operations.
Q:How is Cola approaching the conversion of its pipeline into more firm orders and potential PPAs?
A:Cola is approaching the conversion of its pipeline into more firm orders and potential PPAs by focusing on building the right partnerships and dealing with customers in a constructive way for the company. They are not rushing into PPAs but rather building better offtake structures that are more aligned with the company's goals and that also derisk the process for both parties.
Q:What are the next milestones to watch for in support of the INL reactor pilot program timeline?
A:The next milestones to watch for in support of the INL reactor pilot program timeline include the continued progress of the Aurora reactor prototype, which is expected to turn on in June or July 2026. Another key milestone is the ongoing partnership with Idaho National Laboratory and the Battelle Energy Alliance to provide fast neutron radiation capabilities, which will further expand the program's capabilities.
Q:What is the purpose of the Aurora and l-plan authorization path?
A:The Aurora and l-plan authorization path allows for quicker movement into construction activities for the Aurora plant, enabling the start of building the plan and facilitating the transition into major construction work, full-scale procurement, and other activities critical to plant operation.
Q:What are the benefits of the fuel fabrication facility at the Idaho National Laboratory?
A:The benefits of the fuel fabrication facility at the Idaho National Laboratory include the ability to fabricate fuel for the Aurora plant, which is a critical part of the supply chain. This facility is contributing to the plant's construction and operational readiness by allowing quicker equipment installation and fuel fabrication.
Q:How does the DOE and NRC collaboration affect the Aurora plant's licensing process?
A:The DOE and NRC collaboration is beneficial for the Aurora plant as it builds on the DOE's work and prepares to transition to the NRC's licensing process. The NRC is expected to reference the DOE's experience in licensing advanced reactors, enabling a similar pace and cadence of operations while allowing for accelerated milestones for the Aurora plant.
Q:What is the significance of the DOE's decision to make plutonium available for the Aurora fuel?
A:The DOE's decision to make plutonium available as a bridge fuel is significant because it changes the paradigm for reactor construction and enables the accelerated build and scaling of power plants. This supply of plutonium helps scale the fuel source more quickly, catalyzing the construction of more plants and increasing the potential for large-scale orders in the enrichment market and recycling side of the business.
Q:What are the differences between the Pluto test reactor and the Aurora reactor?
A:The Pluto test reactor is a bespoke system designed to provide fast neutron and irradiation testing capabilities, which is different from the Aurora reactor. The primary function of the Pluto reactor is not to generate electricity but to test materials and optimize plutonium usage. The reactor will use plutonium to produce more neutrons for testing, which is a valuable feature not available in the country for about 30 years.
Q:What learnings are expected from the Pluto test reactor?
A:The learnings expected from the Pluto test reactor include gaining experience with plutonium criticality, handling and management, and optimizing fuel fabrication processes. This experience will serve as a foundation for scaling the use of plutonium in the Aurora plant and potentially in other future plants. The reactor will provide insights into the utilization of fast neutrons to test materials and will prepare the company for better economic performance and more data generation using plutonium.
Q:What are the potential applications of developing fast neutron radiation capabilities?
A:The potential applications of developing fast neutron radiation capabilities include additional isotope production, supporting various material types, assisting other companies or government programs with radiation time and exposure needs, and providing a platform for research and development (R&D) as well as margin improvement.
Q:What is the projected dollar breakdown of CapEx by components?
A:The projected dollar breakdown of CapEx by components is still being refined and will be shared in more detail likely into 2026.
Q:How has the backlog changed, and what is the customer breakdown?
A:The backlog of 14 GW is still predominantly made up of data center and hyperscaler customers. There are also potential customers that could increase this number, but the exact date of converting this backlog into a Power Purchase Agreement (PPA) is still being worked on with pace and urgency.
Q:How are the discussions around supply chain and atomic alchemy progressing?
A:The discussions around supply chain and atomic alchemy are advancing with conversations around feedstock for isotope production and contract conversions. The reactor pilot program awarded to Atomic Alchemy and the progress on the lab-scale facility at INL are positive developments. There is also potential for generating revenue and gross margin from the lab-scale project in the first half of the next year.
Q:What is the capability of the EBR for isotope production and isolation?
A:The EBR can be utilized for isotope production without needing the Viper reactor for certain steps, such as consolidation and recovery. However, the most meaningful production can be achieved with the help of the reactor, which will unlock significant performance differentials. The prototype of the reactor is expected to be operational by the middle of the next year and will use standard pressurized water reactor fuel bundles to enhance capabilities, including the production of isotopes from Leu.
Q:Can the Aurora reactor be used for isotope production without interruptions in its fuel cycle?
A:While the focus of most reactors is power production, the Aurora reactor along with the Idaho and Pluto reactors will offer more flexibility. This flexibility can potentially match the needs for isotope production without causing significant interruptions to the fuel cycle, although adjustments to operational schedules may be necessary to optimize the use of these assets.
Q:What is the status of the proposed natural gas Aurora partnership with Liberty Energy?
A:The proposed natural gas Aurora partnership with Liberty Energy is still seen as a powerful bridge, and there is validation that it is valuable. Discussions are ongoing, and while the focus at the moment is on grid-scale projects as the nearest-term operational preference, the partnership continues to progress and remains a key feature in market conversations.
Q:What are the challenges observed in the commercial markets regarding energy objectives and the focus on hyperscalers?
A:The challenges observed in the commercial markets include a focus on hyperscalers' energy objectives over the next multi-year time frames, typically extending to 24 months or less. This focus is mainly on ensuring the hyperscalers are in a good position for the short term and are increasingly looking at long-term views due to constrained power markets.
Q:How might the government's increase in fuel availability influence the construction of new nuclear plants?
A:The increase in government fuel availability is seen as a potent factor that could accelerate the construction of new nuclear plants. This availability of fuel is still being digested in the market and may present a path to bring nuclear energy online sooner than anticipated.
Q:What is the significance of the capital raise and prepayment for fuel supply in the nuclear supply chain?
A:The significance of the capital raise is that it allows companies to avoid having capital constraints as an impediment to making prepayments for fuel supply. Such prepayments, estimated to be in the 10% range for some announced supply chain partnerships, are not significant and enable better pricing on assets.
Q:How is the potential economic opportunity for a facility selected for the DOE program affected by NRC approval?
A:The potential economic opportunity for a facility selected for the DOE program is that it could be monetized as soon as the facility comes online, though NRC approval is needed to convert the operation from DOE authorization to a commercial energy license.
Q:What is the projected future for facilities like the atomic alchemy plant in Texas and the Pluto reactor?
A:The projected future for facilities like the atomic alchemy plant in Texas and the Pluto reactor is to primarily serve DOE missions and possibly be converted to an energy license. However, this is not the current plan but a potential option that may evolve in the future.
Q:How might DOE authorization be linked to fuel supply support for the DOE and the potential for additional plant construction?
A:DOE authorization could potentially allow facilities to support the DOE by providing power, heat, or isotopes. This could lead to more plants being built under DOE authorization as a way to serve the DOE. The linkage is supported by the recent MOU between DOE and NRC, which indicates a clear process for converting DOE authorization to a commercial energy license in a manner complementary to DOE work.
Q:What are the prospects for refueling a new INL powerhouse to its maximum capacity and the implications of potentially using plutonium in the fuel mix?
A:The prospects for refueling a new INL powerhouse to its maximum capacity are positive, as the company feels confident about securing the necessary fuel. The use of a diverse fuel mix, including potentially accessing plutonium for fuel, is part of the strategy to ensure the reactor can operate at maximum capacity. The potential incorporation of plutonium into the fuel mix does not raise concerns about NRC regulatory processes or proliferation concerns, as long as appropriate safeguards and security measures are in place.
Q:What differences exist between handling plutonium and uranium in a reactor and the implications for the NRC regulatory process?
A:There are some inherent differences between handling plutonium and uranium in a reactor, particularly in terms of their physical and operational characteristics. However, these differences are manageable and generally well understood within the NRC regulatory framework. There is a history and precedent for managing plutonium in nuclear facilities, and ongoing collaborations with national labs and DOE provide expertise to scale these practices forward. Leveraging the DOE's track record in reviewing and overseeing nuclear facilities, combined with the NRC's experience, aims to make the regulatory process more efficient.
Q:What are the implications of converting DOE authorization to a commercial energy license and the potential for NRC to use DOE's resources in the regulatory process?
A:Converting DOE authorization to a commercial energy license is seen as a key part of the strategy to allow for the deployment of new nuclear plants. There is potential for NRC to use DOE's resources in the regulatory process, such as leveraging DOE's expertise in managing and authorizing plutonium work. This synergy between DOE and NRC aims to accelerate reviews and make them more efficient by utilizing DOE's comprehensive understanding of the nuclear systems being overseen.
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